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WPATH SOC8

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Thingybob · 03/12/2021 21:57

The new standards (draft) are available to view via the survey Monkey links in this document

www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC%20v8/SOC8%20Chapters%20for%20Public%20Comment/Letter%20eBlast%20-%20SOC8%20Public%20Comment%20Period%20December%202021%20FINAL.pdf?_t=1638464778

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ScrollingLeaves · 04/12/2021 00:05

I cannot seem to copy and paste lines so took some screen shots of some worrying sections.

In one I was wondering why the general description of adolescent development does not mention autistic girls, who would not match the description given yet are disproportionately affected by gender dysphoria.

In another, mentioning Human Rights, it is chilling to see gender transitioning as ‘part of normal diversity’; and that not allowing puberty blockers is ‘not neutral’; and the right to decide for themselves is endorsed by Amnesty.

Another has the DSD thrown in about midway down the paragraph.

Lovelyricepudding · 04/12/2021 00:01

The statement under Human Rights, at the end of that chapter, that adolescents have the right to decide what happens to them, and Amnesty International is cited.

There is something else they can't do that you didn't list - consent to sex....

ScrollingLeaves · 03/12/2021 23:42

“Lovelyricepudding

We mustn't forget that WPATH is a lobby group that also provides marketing/sales to trans businesses.“

Clearly. But very well disguised.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/12/2021 23:41

I am no expert, and probably many if you must be to even know about this, but having skimmed through the Ist Chapter Adolescents, I noted:

  • “Assigned at birth”, and instantly think they are invested in the whole idea of transitioning.
  • A sentence about how a biological basis and neurological basis for people questioning their gender assigned at birth can be found from people with DSD.

Aren’t they in a category of their own.

  • The statement under Human Rights, at the end of that chapter, that adolescents have the right to decide what happens to them, and Amnesty International is cited.

This is not true if they have anorexia or suicidal or self- harming wishes. I’m fact there are any number of things they can’t do just because they want to including very mundane things. They aren’t even allowed to drive or vote.

This is partly an academic industry.

Lovelyricepudding · 03/12/2021 22:49

We mustn't forget that WPATH is a lobby group that also provides marketing/sales to trans businesses.

Thingybob · 03/12/2021 22:39

@PaleBlueMoonlight

I suppose we would need to do a compare with the original. It's quite stark seeing all that medical intervention laid out for teens.
It was previously 16+ for cross sex hormones and 18+ for any surgical intervention.
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NotBadConsidering · 03/12/2021 22:37

I’m just skimming the puberty blockers section. This edition was promised to be the first to be developed on an “evidence based approach” yet they still recommend puberty blockers. One of the papers quoted is Jack Turban’s joke of a publication. They haven’t changed at all. It’s still ideologically based, not evidenced based.

Lovelyricepudding · 03/12/2021 22:31

You can certainly see what might be in it for cosmetic surgeons...

Lovelyricepudding · 03/12/2021 22:28

Presumably the significant, compelling reasons to take an individualised approach means providing these drugs and surgeries at an even younger age? And I guess the compelling reason would include "because I want it" or possibly "because if you don't do as I say I will kill myself"

Any chance of a substantial set of evidenced research to back this up?

PaleBlueMoonlight · 03/12/2021 22:27

I suppose we would need to do a compare with the original. It's quite stark seeing all that medical intervention laid out for teens.

Thingybob · 03/12/2021 22:03

From a brief glance it doesn't look like WPATH have backpedaled at all. From the adolescent chapter it's Tanner Stage 2 for PB then

14 years and above for hormone treatment (estrogens or androgens), unless there are significant, compelling reasons to take an individualized approach, considering the factors unique to the adolescent treatment frame.

15 years and above for chest masculinization; unless there are significant, compelling reasons to take an individualized approach, considering the factors unique to the adolescent treatment frame.

16 years and above for breast augmentation, facial surgery (including rhinoplasty, tracheal shave, and genioplasty) as part of gender affirming treatment; unless there are significant, compelling reasons to take an individualized approach, considering the factors unique to the adolescent treatment frame.

17 and above for metoidioplasty, orchidectomy, vaginoplasty, and hysterectomy and fronto-orbital remodeling as part of gender affirming treatment unless there are significant, compelling reasons to take an individualized approach, considering the factors unique to the adolescent treatment frame.

18 years or above for phalloplasty, unless there are significant, compelling reasons to take an individualized approach, considering the factors unique to the adolescent treatment frame

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