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Cancelled - channel 4 at 10pm

131 replies

Justme56 · 02/12/2021 09:40

Just a heads up if anyone is interested. Includes Profs. Jo Phoenix and Rosa Freedman.

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HandsOffMyRights · 05/12/2021 09:07

It's not on YouTube either.

Am awaiting a response from C4 because programmes that aired before and after are conveniantly available.

Curious how the 'technical issue' impacts that show.

Beefcurtains79 · 05/12/2021 08:11

Surely someone must have taped it to put it on YouTube?

nauticant · 04/12/2021 16:46

The point about GB News is not that it needs to be as good as or better than the mainstream news organisations but it's a reminder to them that if they continue formulating their news so it can be directed at a narrow segment of their audience thinking that the rest of the audience will simply suck it up, then they might get a nasty shock.

Of course, they might react by taking their ball away to only play with their friends leaving the riff-raff to sort themselves out but that could lead to the insane media polarisation that's happened in the US.

SidewaysOtter · 04/12/2021 16:31

Technical issue, or “We’re knee deep in lawyers”? I wouldn’t be surprised if those who have not come out well in this program have been screaming blue murder about being misrepresented and it all not being fair.

I’ve not seen GB News but I welcome a platform that allows differing opinions. I’m deeply opposed to the “right think” that goes on, whether it’s covid or trans rights.

I shall look forward to seeing when C4 get their act together!

andyoldlabour · 04/12/2021 15:24

Apparently, there is a "technical issue".

twitter.com/richardpbacon

I can't find it anywhere on Youtube.

aliasundercover · 04/12/2021 14:24

The Channel 4 tv guide says it will be repeated at 2:40am on the 15th December.

Rhannion · 04/12/2021 14:06

Could it be on youtube ?

VexedofVirginiaWater · 04/12/2021 11:51

@daringdoris

How absolutely humourless was that first young woman he interviewed!?

I thought it was pretty well done.

I thought she came over as smug and patronising while she trawled through RB's tweets from quite a few years ago and instructed him on where he went wrong. And uncharitably found myself hoping that someone does the same to her in 20 years time.
GAHgamel · 04/12/2021 06:19

According to my telly guide it's being repeated in the early hours of the 15th of December.

PigeonLittle · 04/12/2021 00:05

@NarcissistsEyebrows

Another one keen to watch. Placemarking for updated
Ditto
NarcissistsEyebrows · 03/12/2021 23:17

Another one keen to watch. Placemarking for updated

Schoolchoicesucks · 03/12/2021 21:27

Has anyone found this on replay? The 9pm and 11pm programmes are showing but not this. Keen to watch as missed it yesterday.

Rhannion · 03/12/2021 19:24

@exwhyzed

Keep checking for it All4 has been really buggy recently. Something I usually watch on catch up later on the same night it airs took 3-4 days to arrive on All4 last week.
Just saw this! thank you I’ll look out for it.
Rhannion · 03/12/2021 19:23

Does anyone know when this repeated somewhere or on the channel 4 catchup. Thanks

exwhyzed · 03/12/2021 19:16

Keep checking for it All4 has been really buggy recently. Something I usually watch on catch up later on the same night it airs took 3-4 days to arrive on All4 last week.

StillWeRise · 03/12/2021 19:12

bugger was going to watch this tonight

MurielSpriggs · 03/12/2021 19:09

I noticed complaints about transphobia popping up Hmm

Eg mobile.twitter.com/abigibbs_/status/1466553049430720512

Awkwardy · 03/12/2021 19:02

Ditto. Conspiracy, cock-up or just inefficiency?

HandsOffMyRights · 03/12/2021 18:42

The irony that 'Cancelled' has been cancelled on All4. It's 'unavailable' to stream still.

I was too tired to watch last night, and silly me, assumed I could simply catch up today.

purpleme12 · 03/12/2021 11:58

@FindTheTruth

Ashleigh was asked about an academic being really frightened and didn't acknowledge it. just went straight to 'that's what trans people face everyday'
Didn't she just justify what the person was going through by saying that's what we trans people go through every day?

I'm not regular on this board like you guys but I've read these threads before and agree with a lot of it.

aliasundercover · 03/12/2021 11:57

Me too.

SpindlesWinterWhorl · 03/12/2021 11:47

I've asked C4 where it is, as I want to see it.

CreepingDeath · 03/12/2021 10:48

Thanks for letting me know about this, I missed it on tv and looking up Channel 4 OnDemand it's still not available to view. Grrr.

Maybe a few of us can email them and ask that it be put up? There is a 'contact us' bit at the bottom of the webpage.

BitMuch · 03/12/2021 10:41

It was a really good programme. Air time for both sides seemed equal. Professor Jo Phoenix and Professor Rosa Freedman spoke about their experiences so eloquently. I'm sure it was shocking for people who aren't already aware just how normal it is for female academics to be threatened in their place of work by students without the university protecting their workers. Rosa Freedman calmly stating that the worst thing that had been shouted at her at work was someone telling her she is a Nazi and that she should 'get raped'. Thank you both for speaking up about your awful experiences without knowing how Channel 4 will edit your words. The time will come when mainstream documentaries will say the way you have been treated is abusive and wrong and the violent threats only come from one side.

The TRAs managed to prove the violent woman-hatred is a real widespread problem using their air time. The TRA who walked up to a security woman and shouted through a megaphone into her face "Shut. the. fuck. up. you. cunt."! The man shouting "Shame on you! Die! Die! Die!". All while Jo talks about her work about protecting girls and women. TRA Ashley responded to a question about a woman being threatened and scared at work by talking about 'comments' being what trans people are scared of everyday. What, comments like "this is the women's toilet"? No examples given. Ashley even tried to explain the threats and abuse of women by saying trans people are bullies because they are marginalised.

Hopefully the public are getting a mental picture of what 'transwoman' actually means, for too long it has been biologically female actresses. The message that their 'rights' are actually the right for men to invade women's spaces including changing rooms and prisons was put across which was key. Ashley said there is no debate allowed about these 'rights'. Some images of the "transwomen" like Stephen Wood who committed assaults in women's prisons would have been good but that's just nitpicking. I guess I'm spoiled by GB News, who show photos of Mouncey, Hubbard, McKinnon etc when they talk about 'transwomen' being allowed to compete in women's sports etc.

Absolutely great to see more debate and exploration of these issues on TV. I think regular people will be thinking this is scary and mad but hopefully will start talking about what is happening.

Zeugma · 03/12/2021 09:43

I usually download things I've missed to my Sky box - it's not showing up there at all, just no returns in search results. If you search for it on All4 it's saying 'unavailable'.

Oh, the irony. Really annoyed I missed it.

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