Cancelled - channel 4 at 10pm

SoniaFouler it was partly giving the TRA the last word in that section, but mostly that line from RB. I found it infuriating given what had just been shown.

It's encouraging to hear that "neutral" people could see how not at all one sided it is.

I thought this was a good overview and Richard Bacon a good host overall. My partner commented how violent the TRAs were and they have only heard about this through my pov previously.

^^ that post is jumbled sorry, hopefully it makes sense?

[quote SpindlesWinterWhorl]@SoniaFouler, that would be very interesting if you would watch again and compare.[/quote]
I’m not going to be able to watch it for a couple of weeks, although I will, when I can, but I’m more interested in the views of @43leftfeet and @RepentBirthingPersonFucker who said the programme came across to them as “both sides” becsuse from my recollection as said, it was only one single narrated line by Richard Bacon after interviewing a transwoman and also said by the transwoman he was interviewing. I didn’t see any “both sides” argument outside of that - the “both sides” single line made from RB jumped out at me especially because I thought at the time of the original broadcast how could you say that when you’ve just shown footage of Jo speaking calmly about child exploitation abuse and then followed it up immediately with footage of a TRA shouting DIE, YOU CUNTS, how is that comparable? So that’s what led me to wonder whether it has since been edited. Sorry for tagging you both, but I’m genuinely curious whether the programme might have been edited enough to say the whole programme came across as “both sides are toxic” or whether I’m misremembering or whether that one line was taken as an imbalance of how the whole programme was portrayed.

Pina, thank you! Will watch when I get a chance.

Just watched it on ALL4.

Very cleverly done, aimed at a "naive" audience, following the "show, don't tell" principle.

The proof of the pudding is that some PP watched this with family members who have failed to "get it" before, ie. when they were "told", but do "get it" now that they have seen it with their own eyes.

Bugger. Can't set it to recons my virgin box is knackered.

Just watched on All4. On the whole I thought fairly presented, decent time given to Jo Phoenix to present her very reasonable views and also to Rosa Freedman. I thought an opportunity was missed to perhaps mention (when the subject of prison came up), that actually women HAVE been harmed by TWs in female prisons.
Ashleigh: "You dont get to define my rights", needed to be asked the classic question: "What rights do you not have that others do?"
But the lunatic screaming protestors certainly made a point which "side" is doing the threatening.

@GreenWhiteViolet Show him what’s happening in Canada - look at Billboard Chris on Twitter, for example.

I watched it last night with someone who has heard my views on the subject but still thinks it's a minority of people making a fuss and not a serious concern. What stood out to him most was the protester yelling 'Die, die, die!' outside the conference hall full of women.

I thought it was interesting that when the TW was asked about an academic needing security on campus, the TW assumed it was because she was afraid someone would approach her and make a comment - and dismissed this, because it happens to TW all the time.

Men are afraid women will laugh at them.
Women are afraid men will kill them.

thanks, GAH.

@SoniaFouler, that would be very interesting if you would watch again and compare.

Finally up on the Channel 4 website

I’m curious to see it again now and see if it’s been edited, or cut, like I suggested in an earlier post. From what I remember the only “from both sides” argument was one single line of narration from Richard Bacon following a short interview with a transgender woman, and something along the same lines said by that same transgender woman. It wasn’t said any more than that (from what I remember)

Exactly.

Oh and also, it mentioned "both sides" or the gender debate being toxic / threatening / violent (I forget the exact words) which was lazy journalism, incorrect and fucking infuriating.

43leftfeet
I thought it was just me. I was disappointed too. It was very much both sides are as bad as each other and ignored where the real abuse is coming from

It's showing on the All4 app on my phone now.

Via the Channel 4 app, I meant to say

I watched it on my phone.

Disappointed it was pretty superficial. Glad it's making people aware of the issues but it was all pretty surface level, no depth to it.

That was very good, thanks to people who kept us posted on availability.
We found it via the search function, don’t know if that helps anyone.

Still can't see it!!!

I found it on my phone and cast to TV
It isn't showing available on TV for some reason just on the phone app

Showing as Unavailable on All4 for me but have set to record when it is shown on Wednesday 15th at 02:40am.