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Good guide on what declaring your pronouns really means

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shakeyourshaggyshanks · 01/12/2021 23:53

filia.org.uk/latest-news/2021/12/1/should-you-declare-your-pronouns-a-simple-guide

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CheeseMmmm · 02/12/2021 03:14

And if you don't ever (and never have?) done anything that is stereotyped for women/ girls, or that are common things that women do. I'll eat my hat.

Never bit back a look not interested. I don't want to talk to you. Fuck off. Or similar when a persistent obviously potentially aggressive man gets to the limit of your patience in a pub?
Never clocked who is in carriage with you on late night transport?
Never thought want to talk to someone about thrush/ sexual assault etc and had zero feeling to tell woman not man (in general let's say workmates not best mates).
Never reacted in expected way to compliment on s thing women and girls are supposed to really care about?
Never thought twice about going home with a man you just met? (If you do that sort of thing).
I mean it's endless.
It's a million million things.
None?

CheeseMmmm · 02/12/2021 03:04

NoNot,

If it's not about any of the myriad of things from very subtle to very overt, in our society, that are pushed onto us, constantly. From outside media etc all that, to amongst women, generation to generation, across generations. How to behave to minimise risk. For an easy life. I dunno loads.

IE not anything to do with behaviour, mode of dress, what sort of responsibilities are expected to be done by us, speech patterns, the different nsocial niceties that men/women use to smooth the way through life, things around going out in the evening, reactions to various situations, things we would tell women generally v men, Imean so so much it's impossible to list.

And it's not about you or any single person. It's across the board. As a group.

And it's not about your sex IE and again it's general. Not about you in particular. Or me. It's about overall. The wide impact.

Not about sex, nothing to do with reproductive system processes, functions, problems. Not to do with the general obvious differences in so many things height, build, foot size, overall facial features etc.

None of that.

Then why does anyone modify body? Why does anyone adopt any or many aspects of appearance generally associated with men/women?

Then what?

If it's something you feel inside. Related neither to general stereotypes/ norms for either sex, and it's nothing to do with bodies.

Then it's... What?

And I mean everyone should be able to like, dress, behave, etc etc however makes them feel comfy. Yes that's a given. And no one should be treated badly because of it.

What's the bit missing then? Because that's all. Just ok fine. How does it translate to male/ female long-standing single sex, needing to become. Everyone can go where they feel comfy? What's the step from one to the other? If it's literally only about something invisible and being able to wear etc what you would like?

LonginesPrime · 02/12/2021 02:22

Plus I have no problem making trans people feel more included.
I feel secure in myself, I know who I am, and therefore know others are perfectly capable of knowing themselves too.

What about all the people who aren't sure about their gender identity and haven't yet come to a decision about what pronouns they feel most comfortable with?

They become more conspicuous when everyone else declares their pronouns, so this practice makes some trans people (arguably the most marginalised ones who aren't as secure in their identity as you are) feel deeply uncomfortable and it puts them under a huge amount of pressure to conform before they are sure themselves.

It's great that you're so comfortable in your own skin, but what about all those trans people who don't enjoy that privilege?

NoNotMeNoSiree · 02/12/2021 02:10

Performing the ritual of pronoun declaration indicates to others that you believe in gender identity theory, that you yourself have a "gender identity" and that your "gender identity" is relevant during every social interaction. Under this belief system, a woman is someone who performs the gender stereotype of femininity, rather than someone who has a female body
No.
Not true, whoever wrote that piece can speak for themselves.
I don't perform the gender stereotype of women (what even is that supposed to mean, anyway?!)
I still know there's more to me as a woman than what's between my legs and on my chest.
Plus I have no problem making trans people feel more included.
I feel secure in myself, I know who I am, and therefore know others are perfectly capable of knowing themselves too.

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