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Unless we use our reason, we`re done for

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prudencepuffin · 30/11/2021 09:43

Just been listening to Jon Ronson on radio 4 - an episode about a conspiracy theory in US in the 80s claiming that satanists were abusing children in daycare services. A woman who had worked within daycare was charged and faced 47 years before being acquitted after completely ridiculous, fantasy claims were made against her. She said: (slightly paraphrased), these were educated liberal people who believed this and thought: "Perhaps if I dont go along with this they will come for me", and summed up: "Youre steamrolling over reality (when you believe this), doing enormous damage". And finally: Unless we use the better part of our brain, our reason, were done for".
Does this remind us of anything?!
Heres a link if anyones interested: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m00120vp

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MonsignorMirth · 30/11/2021 12:40

Glinner called him out a long time ago. I suspect since then he's had to try and prove he's nothing to do with Glinner and won't ever think anything that Glinner thinks.

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 30/11/2021 10:33

This sort of thing transmitted over the pond as well - www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/18/satanic-child-abuse-false-memories-scotland

NSPCC, Police and Social Workers caught the brain worms.

And then there's Diane Ehrensaft: twitter.com/stellaomalley3/status/1254664918479101952

The first book I ever read of Ronson's was Them: Adventures With Extremists.

I don't know where the Jon Ronson who spoke to Islamist extremists and far-right nutters in order to write that book went.

The modern Jon Ronson is frightened of talking to some women.

nauticant · 30/11/2021 10:27

That would be my guess too.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/11/2021 10:16

We're waiting for the episode on gender identity ideology which will likely expose the weaknesses of Ronson's analysis and presentation.

Is that episode 6? That's what I'm assuming from the write up.

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prudencepuffin · 30/11/2021 10:14

I thought it was interesting also how perceptions (beliefs) grow legs and take over and whats behind that happening - money, the strength of a particular religious movement, whatever. Also occurred to me that children who were genuinely abused framed in a less dramatic context, may have been overlooked in the rush to join a highly publicised drama. She did mention the role of the press in this.

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nauticant · 30/11/2021 10:13

There's plenty of interesting things in it. Here's a long thread talking about the whole series:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4395434-The-nerve-of-Jon-Ronson

We're waiting for the episode on gender identity ideology which will likely expose the weaknesses of Ronson's analysis and presentation.

ScreamingMeMe · 30/11/2021 10:11

How can he not see it? Some serious cognitive dissonance going on in the Ronson bonce.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/11/2021 10:09

It does look like quite an interesting series, having said that. I will give it a listen.

MistandMud · 30/11/2021 10:06

It could be centuries, though, Gncq. Mythologies about souls and spirits (and indeed devils and witches) have lasted through most of human history.

We can but hope.

Gncq · 30/11/2021 09:57

This series "Tales from the history of the culture wars" has been created a bit too early.

Wait a few more years, Jon. This present day sex/gender culture war is certainly worthy of an entry when it's all history.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 30/11/2021 09:45

Ronson has a pretty bad case of cognitive dissonance. I get women and girls aren't important enough for anyone to give a shit, but even so.

Lliikklkkj · 30/11/2021 09:44

And still John Ronson can not or will not see it.

We are done for.