Green Party - again

"rules seemed pretty fuzzy."

Well, 'anyone who self identifies as a woman can vote in the elections for Green Party women' was definitely bloody fuzzy.

Lots of nefarious reasons we could probably come up with Warrior but in the case of the Green Party, lots of young people wanting to be in with their peers who saw the Party conference as an easy place to take over. Probably felt a bit drunk with their own power as from the reports I saw, they were able to win the day over many older members and feminist women. If I have this wrong, I`m sure someone who was there can come along and explain it better. My past memories of the Green Party show how easy it is to mount a takeover bid as the rules seemed pretty fuzzy.

You've got to ask

Why do they want to be in women's spaces?

Why do they campaign so hard?

Why do they tantrum when we say no?

Why do they name call and are unable to engage when we raise safeguarding concerns?

🤔

Sorry really of topic.

Just realised men do it a lot too when don't get own way with women.

Replace stinky with eg

Lesbian
Ugly
Bitch
Frigid
Etc

Same same. Never realised that before!

I mean IME. Not wanting to sidetrack into this behaviour 8yo girl/boy! Certainly both can be hilarious when out of things to say and fall back on tried and tested ' anyway you smell' type stuff 😂😂😂

Lol @ ides. A new angle would be less tedious.

Is the point of posts in that vein, which obv are two a penny. To pop in, say ner ner de ner ner, teehee, job done, aren't I clever? I can't see another reason. Maybe to show off to their mates look what I did! That showed them!

I mean obv never to do the actual conversation, no arguments, just essentially. You smell of poo! And run away.

It's really interesting because posts like that really remind me of my brother when he was small. To me it's really 8yo boy, may well not be universal.

It's also sort of like schoolboys shouting stuff and then running off laughing.

Anyway sidetrack. Sorry. It makes them happy

To the monitors, who are reading, I see you.

I work with vulnerable children, have regular safeguarding training and my god, you skate on thin ice.

You're right. Step by step the wall is crumbling.

Thanks @WarrriorN. I do know that we keep saying to people 'please hang on, vote for these people', and it does not look from the outside like things are improving, but there are changes being made on the inside. Unfortunately they have to be made incrementally and can only work when we get enough people who can see the harm that this ideology is having on women and the reputation of the party.

I also appreciated the wording in the email around the fact that the vast majority of women are up to their chins in busy home lives and don't have time to deal with this childish nonsense, but you're making it as flexible as possible for us.

Thanks @letterem I know exactly how hard you're working to deal l with these men, and women, who deny women their rights.

I loved the book club when it ran. I'm gutted this idiocy has infected a party that is so committed to environmental issues.

I'm shocked that people would vote for someone clearly more obsessed with their looks and glittery nail varnish (total shite for the environment) than women centring green concerns and feminism in their activism.

Backing you all all the way.

They’ve caught the variant terminology from Covid.

I was alerted to this post and thought I would come on to say I do really get why women are so affronted at the idea that green party women seems to cater for everyone except women who ARE women.

I am the current co chair of green party women. I don't identify as a woman, I am one, and I fully understand how infuriating it is that we have to jump through hoops to try and re-build a strong women's group that is actually for women.

Like other left wing parties the green party swallowed gender ideology hook line and sinker, and when it adopted trans women are women as a policy the TRA lobby was very strong. More members are starting to realise the implications of self ID and are beginning to question it, but we are not there yet.

All the usual tactics have been used to try and silence gender critical people – Andy Healey was suspended for 2 years, Olivia Palmer was treated atrociously, there is an ongoing campaign to oust Shahrar Ali and the leadership label women speaking out about women's rights as transphobic bigots.

It was in this atmosphere that the green party women constitution was changed a few years ago to cater for all and sundry, even though no one knows what 'gender variant' means.
There will be an opportunity to change the constitution at an Emergency General Meeting next year, but for now we are stuck with it.

Whether we succeed in getting it changed will depend on whether we can get sensible strong women candidates onto the committee, so if there are any green party women who want to be the change (rather than identify as the change), please consider standing, nominations are open till December 16th.

I absolutely understand why women are angry and why they have left the party, but for those who are hanging on, I would urge you to please register to vote, and if you want to tell the party exactly what you think about this, feel free to email [email protected]

Yep. Sadly you are right.

The wording is absolutely not the choice of many GP women, those of us against misogynistic gender ideology. It's rude and insulting. But there is currently no choice about the wording. Please help us change this. GC women leaving the party is what the misogynistic ones want. I'm hanging on by a thread myself, but don't want the party to become yet another vehicle for this disrespectful hateful attitude towards girls, women.

They might do, in theory ... but it's barely happened in practice.
@ides let's talk specifics instead of vague allusions. Which specific incidents are you referring to that have happened?

(I know you won't answer)

I remember when the greens were anti nuclear energy and wanted to save the whales.

"Transwomen haven't oppressed natal women."

Really? It feels pretty bloody oppressive to have women's sport, prisons and rape crisis centres being made to be inclusive of transwomen. It feels pretty bloody oppressive to have our language policed ("cervix havers", "chestfeeding", etc). It feels pretty bloody oppressive to not be able to say that biological sex matters when it has been used to oppress women for centuries.

Especially as the greens are likely to attract more people over the coming years due to
Climate crisis

I'll tick any box to get in and be able to disprove any points with biological reasoning

They're very good at cobbling together arguments that claim that those who most would see as privileged and entitled are in fact oppressed.
Admiring the irony from ides. Those poor oppressed white males who can now vote as women with their ‘gender variant identity’

Why doesn't it matter?

In your opinion. Interested to know reasons.

Does it actually matter? NO