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Julie Burchill: "Why I loathe the woke"

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beastlyslumber · 29/11/2021 19:14

Just thought I'd share this piece of joy for anyone else who is fond of Ms Burchill...

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beastlyslumber · 29/11/2021 23:18

@JayAlfredPrufrock

Sorry that was to *@beastlyslumber*
We say black pudding where I'm from, too, but wasn't sure if the pp would get the reference
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XiXimXerJinping · 29/11/2021 23:15

Oh look! A purity spiral in the comments.

OrangeJuiceAndNoodles · 29/11/2021 23:10

Even the word itself is irritating as hell. Shouldn't it be 'awake'?

MurielSpriggs · 29/11/2021 23:00

Whatever it's origins, the way "woke" is currently used is the Daily-Express-reactionary equivalent to "political correctness gone mad", and, for those of us old enough to remember it, "the loony left".

Shedmistress · 29/11/2021 22:59

If I've misread/misunderstood then explain? But don't "FFS."

I can asure you the wokism referred to in the Stalinism comment is as far as it can be from black women commenting on here.

Do you not understand that we are talking about white middle class university educated people who have completely taken over the term 'woke' pretending they are oh so virtuous whilst calling for women to be ousted from their jobs, raped or in some cases, murdered; just for knowing about the biology of sex? That is the whole fucking point of Julie Birchill saying she loathes these little jumped up shit stains banging on relentlessly about identity politics being the most important dimension in modern life?

JayAlfredPrufrock · 29/11/2021 22:47

Sorry that was to @beastlyslumber

Momobeats · 29/11/2021 22:47

@BlackandGreen

Thank you Momobeats, I see now, thanks for taking the time to come and explain.
No problem @BlackandGreen
JayAlfredPrufrock · 29/11/2021 22:46

@GeorgiaGirl52

Much as I really really really hate to say this, here in Oldham it’s black pudding.

BlackandGreen · 29/11/2021 22:45

Thank you Momobeats, I see now, thanks for taking the time to come and explain.

BlackandGreen · 29/11/2021 22:43

Why the FFS.?
That's what I read? See the post that says " Stalinists"
If I've misread/misunderstood then explain? But don't "FFS."

Momobeats · 29/11/2021 22:41

@BlackandGreen

I have varying degrees of fondness for Curtis Mayfield, Jerk chicken and marijuana that somehow makes me black.

Just what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

Not my words, it was a disgusting comment by @dropthevipers in this thread on friday

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4412050-Are-you-watching-Womanhood?pg=2

Shedmistress · 29/11/2021 22:39

@BlackandGreen

So black women posting on here, expressing a view to other women, are now Stalinists? That's quite sad to read. I'll leave you to it then.
FFS.
BlackandGreen · 29/11/2021 22:36

So black women posting on here, expressing a view to other women, are now Stalinists?
That's quite sad to read. I'll leave you to it then.

Clymene · 29/11/2021 22:33

I absolutely believe women can talk to one another, no matter what our skin colour or culture. We share many many common experiences.

We're much stronger working together

Libertaire · 29/11/2021 22:28

@Gncq

We do need a word to describe the current political movement originating from North America, so popular amongst middle class university students, that is completely against free speech and is pro language control, that we now describe as "woke". We need a word for it. Any suggestions?
Stalinism?
HazelCarbyFan · 29/11/2021 22:28

I agree - at first I thought people complaining about “Karen” were merely being dismissive of Black people addressing power dynamics, but after seeing discussions on here, I noticed how it was being used constantly for no reason completely devoid from any meaning. So I stopped using it. Can’t we do the same thing for mindlessly labeling things woke? It’s like neoliberal - it means something but there was a while when it was being applied to so much it became meaningless and became less useful to use as a result.

I do appreciate the dialogue on here. I posted in upset, which I think is fair, and was really annoyed, and some have been hostile, but others, even if disagreeing have been open. I do believe women can talk with each other!

Libertaire · 29/11/2021 22:26

Some of us have been warning for years that the left’s obsession with toxic, divisive identity politics, hierarchies of victimhood and Stalinist policing of ideas & language would end in repression, purges and draconian restrictions on freedom of speech.

And here we are.

Meanwhile, the right keeps the ‘culture war’ pot boiling, laughs as the left tears itself apart and continues to govern the country, apparently in perpetuity.

Franca123 · 29/11/2021 22:25

You couldn't make it up. The woke have now decided it racist to use the term woke. This movement gets more ridiculous every day.

Clymene · 29/11/2021 22:22

You what @Momobeats? ShockShock

BlackandGreen · 29/11/2021 22:22

I have varying degrees of fondness for Curtis Mayfield, Jerk chicken and marijuana that somehow makes me black.

Just what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

BlackandGreen · 29/11/2021 22:20

@LookNorthbyNorthWest

When it comes to the internet, "Woke" = clickbait and is guaranteed to get people thinking with their emotion rather than their reason. Serious people don't use it as a form of criticism. I do sometimes agree with Burchill, but I don't have much respect for her as a person. She's always been half intellectual, half drama llama.
I agree. Same for the misuse of " Karen". Not used at all by BMnetters. (The occasional plopper who uses it on there as click bait gets short shrift behind the scenes.) Respect and mutual understanding, is the bedrock of women organising together. Not sneering at each other.
Momobeats · 29/11/2021 22:19

@foxgoosefinch

Username checks out.

@Momobeats - blame it on the black star is a lyric from a 1990s Radiohead track about depression. Not a racial slur of any kind, just so you know. [Hmm]

Fair enough Fox, thanks for letting me know. I think I'm being hypervigilant because I still can't believe this comment from the "Are you watching Womanhood?" thread.

I have varying degrees of fondness for Curtis Mayfield, Jerk chicken and marijuana that somehow makes me black.

BlackandGreen · 29/11/2021 22:12

[quote JessicaPipsqueak]@HazelCarbyFan could you sound any more pompous? Grin[/quote]
Well, that's helpful.

I'd like to spend more time on FWR, women united can do wondrous things. However, posts like this, which dismiss an honestly held view from the perspective of a black woman, make me think again. No discussion, no reasoned disagreement, just a rude shout down.

We need to be able to listen to each other, not put each other down like this.

foxgoosefinch · 29/11/2021 22:05

Username checks out.

@Momobeats - blame it on the black star is a lyric from a 1990s Radiohead track about depression. Not a racial slur of any kind, just so you know. [Hmm]

Clymene · 29/11/2021 22:04

@HazelCarbyFan

The notion of “class consciousness” goes back to Marx, but nobody was using the specific term “woke.” The concept is not new, but the post-structuralists (largely writing in French) were not using “woke.” That is a term originating in contemporary Black culture within the last decade. Before that we talked about developing racial consciousness but we used to just call it “being conscious,” being real, etc.
Even wiki says it goes back further

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

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