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Critic my Letter to DD school regards LGBT club

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Sickoffamilydrama · 28/11/2021 23:50

I've just found out that our 12 year old autistic DD has been attending a lunch time LGBT club and now tells me she is bisexual, (apparently she needs choose what she is) & suddenly obsessively drawing flags on everything including herself.

She has been exhibiting worsening ticks like pulling her hair really tight and lip licking until above her mouth is sore & finger sucking.

She suddenly has a friend who identifies as a boy as well (I don't care if our daughter is straight, gay or whatever) but I'm worried what has been discussed, she's 12 hasn't gone through puberty yet and shows limited comprehension regarding relationships, she doesn't need to worry about this, or be considering any kind of sexual relationship.

This has left her confused and clearly anxious, I'm beyond livid to see her distress especially as the school are not doing much about her being massively behind and clearly academically struggling.

So help me by looking at the draft wording for a letter to the head of year and the safe guarding lead.

Dear
I writing to you to raise my concerns regarding the school's lunch time LGBT club, which my daughter informs me is open to children in all year groups. Whilst it is admirable the school wish to support pupils, it is inappropriate that sexuality is discussed in a mixed age group.

My daughter who is autistic and vulnerable has recently been attending with her friend, this has left her confused and anxious with her exhibiting increased ticks, some of which are boarding on harmfull.
She tells me that she now needs to choose what sexuality she is and has become anxious she doesn't have a boyfriend or particularly have any sexual feelings towards boys, this has led her to become very distressed culminating in her deciding she must be bisexual. Even though she feels no attraction to girls. She has then obsessively been drawing flags on herself and with her notebooks.

Prior to attending the LGBT club she had never exhibited any of this anxiety around her sexuality, rightly so as she is 12 years old and still in the very early stages of puberty, therefore she should not be considering sex.

I am unclear what is discussed at this club but the mixed age group is clearly a safeguarding issue a 16/17/18 year old should never be talking to a 12 year old about sex or sexuality these age groups have quite different needs and comprehension. This massive difference between young and older teens is recognised in PHSE guidance hence why children are given age appropriate information. They also appears to be no pastoral or any other kind of support attached to this club which is present when PHSE is taught as part of the curriculum, neither was I aware of this club or my daughter attending it until she suddenly became distressed.

There also appears to have been no consideration for children like my daughter who have a disability that disadvantages her compared to her peers.The difficulties in understanding intentions, missing social subtleties, limited peer interactions and often lower emotional age, means that children with autism require more support or they risk misunderstand important information regarding sex and relationships.

I await your response on this matter.

Not sure if I should put less about the distress and confusion she's been exhibiting. Once this letter had gone I'll be raising the stonewall & mermaids links they have on their LGBT web page using safe school alliance templates/advice.

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FindTheTruth · 29/11/2021 04:27

This SSA red flags PDF could be a useful thing to share with the headteacher safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/redflagsa4.pdf

FindTheTruth · 29/11/2021 04:24

It's a brilliant letter and even if you do meet in person, sending the letter means there's a written record. Yes include the distress it's caused.

As a follow up you could push (FOI) to find out exactly what lobby group materials were used, what identities were 'taught', who the adults involved were and whether the local authority/council were involved.

Resources at the bottom of this Transgender Trend page include template letters and the harm caused by teaching gender identity, especially on girls. www.transgendertrend.com/schools-resources/

Fukuraptor · 29/11/2021 02:28

I agree with Bouledeneige about the wider question of why she is attending this club. When I was a similar age, we attended a lunchtime sign language course and when it ended, one of my friends arranged to keep it going as a club.

It allowed us to spend those lunchtimes having our packed lunch in a classroom in a small group of friends. My friend would do some BSL with us and teach anyone new who popped along, but mainly it was a refuge from the noisy main lunch hall and less pleasant social interactions. Had my friend been interested in anything else that was quiet and indoors, I probably would have followed her to that too.

I'm wondering if your daughter is just needing somewhere to be at lunchtime with a friendly face and this is her current solution. But it comes with the problem of needing to pick a label to be a member.

Maybe there are other lunchtime options?

Your letter is very good esp talking about safeguarding, that topic and mixed aged groups and about her needs, understanding and distress.

I agree with altering the bit about 12 and sex to something that just offers the suggestion that she maybe hasn't reached that stage of development yet.

Rummikub · 29/11/2021 01:06

It sounds like this group is putting unnecessary pressure on her.

Jennalong · 29/11/2021 01:03

Rather than a letter , would a face to face appointment with an appropriate staff member be more productive ?

Bouledeneige · 29/11/2021 00:57

Its very well written. Two minor comments:

  • Its bordering on not boarding on.
  • I also would revise the statement 'she is 12 years old and still in the very early stages of puberty, therefore she should not be considering sex'. I think this sounds judgemental about what's right and proper at a particular age and focusing sexuality on sex when really young people can feel attraction without yet having an interest in sex. Some young people at 11 or 12 do experience a sense of attraction to people of the other or same sex. This is perfectly normal and natural. Others do not and that's fine too.

So I'd re-word it to say something along the lines that no one should be expected to label themselves or express who they are attracted to if they don't want to or feel ready to. However, I think this does give rise to further questions which you might sensitively share with DD. Why is she attending this group then if she has no interest in sexual identity? Is it because she just wants to go to a club? Why this one and not others?

AnotherMansCause · 29/11/2021 00:37

She tells me that she now needs to choose what sexuality she is and has become anxious she doesn't have a boyfriend or particularly have any sexual feelings towards boys, this has led her to become very distressed culminating in her deciding she must be bisexual. Even though she feels no attraction to girls.

This point concerns me - it sounds like they haven’t covered the possibility of her simply not having reached the stage of adolescence where her sexuality becomes apparent. Or, possibly, that some people are asexual. If they are going to be discussing things so openly, they should presumably consider both of these possibilities. Everyone develops at different rates. Your child sounds like they would benefit from taking a step back from this “club”.

In any case, we don’t “choose” our sexuality. It becomes apparent over time. The pressure being put on your child by this group is irresponsible & poorly thought out.

Sickoffamilydrama · 29/11/2021 00:26

Great point timeisnotaline and true of all the children attending this club.

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timeisnotaline · 29/11/2021 00:23

I’d add something about this feels less like a support group and more like my daughter is being provided psychology support and counseling from people who are completely unqualified. She is seeing / waitlisted to see a qualified psychologist / under professional medical care for her conditions and I’m concerned about the harm people who are not professionals specialising in her conditions may do, having neither sufficient knowledge, training or the commitments to safe clinical practice I can expect from her medical experts. I have not provided any consent for such sessions.

I’m trying to hint at if you inflict psychological harm on my child you may expect lawsuits!!

Sickoffamilydrama · 29/11/2021 00:16

Thanks floppybit I want feeling that confident in it. Compared to some of MN correspondence I've seen.

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Sickoffamilydrama · 29/11/2021 00:15

I wonder if there's some way of getting across that it is the fact she now feels she has to make a decision and that she doesn't have the emotional or sexual maturity to make that decision yet, today's really annoyed me. She fixated that she must meet X criteria to be X so if she doesn't then she must be Y.

I've probably already actually said that though in a different way.

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Sickoffamilydrama · 29/11/2021 00:09

Thanks Talipesmum good point as I do want her to have appropriate sex education. Just don't want her to be spiralled into anxiety.

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floppybit · 29/11/2021 00:07

It's brilliantly written, well done

Talipesmum · 29/11/2021 00:00

So sorry your daughter is feeling anxious and disturbed. I think your point about mixed age groups, differing levels of appropriateness, and lack of guidance are excellent and clearly made. I personally don’t think you’ve spoken too much about her distress.

This section: “ she is 12 years old and still in the very early stages of puberty, therefore she should not be considering sex.”

  • I wouldn’t say “should not be considering sex” as plenty of 12 year olds do think about it, or at least have boy/girlfriends. The school might read that as you thinking all sex education is inappropriate for 12 year olds, and that no 12 year old should even be thinking about relationships, and might dismiss your other v good points. Perhaps slightly rephrase to:
“ she is 12 years old and still in the very early stages of puberty, and this unsupervised, mixed age group has made her very anxious about a topic which she had previously not considered, and which she personally is not mature enough yet to appreciate.”
Sickoffamilydrama · 28/11/2021 23:53

Ignore the typos I will be checking it prior to sending.

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