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Men and paraphilias

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FindTheTruth · 28/11/2021 16:05

Norms exist for a reason and should not be erased
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1464548294693203973.html

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CheeseMmmm · 28/11/2021 21:18

Flashing is a very common paraphilia.

The categorisation of some sexual behaviours/ urges is for a reason.

  1. They are often linked to others, and patterns of behaviours urges that cause harm to others or are likely to escalate into things that do is very important.
  1. For those with paraphilias of types that don't cause harm to others, there are often distressing to the person. It can restrict them from being able to fully enjoy/ form sexual relationships with others and that is a big impact on life.
I saw a prog about it and they can be very peculiar and come in a huge variety. They call it mis targeted sexuality or something. Anyway this poor sod was sexually aroused by paperclips. No joke. Ii mean that is going to be tricky as paperclips all over the place. And it's not something I can imagine many partners would be understanding of and incorporate into sex live. And even if did it it's still the paperclip he's into not the person... With one sellotaped to their face or whatever. I know sounds like taking the piss but it really can mess up their life.

Didn't look at the thing but if it's cross dressing then that is the or one of most common paraphilias. Often along with other aspects.

Everyone knows this. It's in the news regularly. Flashers in women's underwear. Theft of women's underwear. More serious sex offenders not unusual to have in past. Man who committed murder had a trophy bag full of knickers from previous victim and previous convictions for peeping Tom and other stuff as well.

Women are of course somehow supposed to put this essential safety knowledge to one side.

Bellendejour · 28/11/2021 20:57

I read Russia/CCP too.

That was a great thread.

A couple of other articles I’ve come across recently:

www.feministcurrent.com/2020/11/29/why-isnt-anyone-talking-about-the-influence-of-porn-on-the-trans-trend/

4w.pub/fetishizing-forcible-transitioning-kids-app/

Linked from the article above:
mobile.twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1439477663324725248

MultiStorey · 28/11/2021 19:42

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Awkwardy · 28/11/2021 18:37

Powerful stuff in the OPS link. Making me think

HipTightOnions · 28/11/2021 18:36

What an interesting set of ideas.

Thanks for posting.

RoyalCorgi · 28/11/2021 18:31

Watching JCJ vs Penny is like watching an elephant squash an ant. It's really not a fair contest.

What I find hilarious about the exchange is the bit where Penny admits "Terfs" might be right about Foucault being a child rapist, but as our motives in pointing it out are motivated by bad faith, she can ignore us.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 28/11/2021 18:27

Exactly what people said, universally and for centuries, about men working and women being obedient wives and mothers.

I don't ever recall a period in history where women were exempt from work - being valued or paid for that work is a different matter so I'd argue against your interpretation of that norm.

There can be considerable blind spots in accepted cultural norms; they do require scrutiny to assess whether they're still relevant and useful.

There are other norms that are grounded in survival and quick reactions: these tend to be durable for a reason.

Helleofabore · 28/11/2021 18:19

I thought that JCJ's reply to LPenny was good too today.

Content Warning though - this discusses (but in no detail) Foucault's sexual habits - children.

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1464922965586370566?s=20

FindTheTruth · 28/11/2021 18:15

HQ said repeatedly that we are absolutely allowed to discuss AGP.

But I don't think you can make it personal to any one individual

Thanks for clarifying this. We and the public need to be aware and be able to talk about paraphilia's. In the WomanKind TV programme, the allies like Suzi were talking about TW with gender dysphoria who would never strip off naked in a changing room with a penis and they're right. But they don't know or discuss or realise (or choose not to realise) that the AGP's exist too in far greater numbers. So every time #BeKind comes up the question to ask is 'what about paraphilia's?' Should women be support humans to mens desires? Breast feeding groups etc etc.

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barleybadminton · 28/11/2021 18:07

As opposed to hostle forces engaged in a secret plot to destroy liberal democracy?

Reads like very thinly veiled antisemitism to me.

SpangleWhorl · 28/11/2021 17:57

@Fifteentoes

Norms exist for a reason and should not be erased

Exactly what people said, universally and for centuries, about men working and women being obedient wives and mothers.

That's rather a clumsy look at history, if you don't mind me saying.
Datun · 28/11/2021 17:55

@TurquoiseBaubles

3...2.....1....Poof

Probably. I don't think we are allowed to join dots on here.

HQ said repeatedly that we are absolutely allowed to discuss AGP.

But I don't think you can make it personal to any one individual.

Datun · 28/11/2021 17:43

Even a man on that thread says he recognises the pattern.

I don't think there's anyone with any degree of awareness, who doesn't, really. But she articulates it brilliantly.

TurquoiseBaubles · 28/11/2021 17:30

3...2.....1....Poof

Probably. I don't think we are allowed to join dots on here.

Fifteentoes · 28/11/2021 17:24

Norms exist for a reason and should not be erased

Exactly what people said, universally and for centuries, about men working and women being obedient wives and mothers.