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Does anyone have any real stats on mental health and using preferred pronouns?

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Spottybluepyjamas · 28/11/2021 15:54

As the title says, I'm looking for stats around using preferred names/pronouns - particularly for children, but not sure where to go to get accurate ones. I keep seeing stats being shared like 'using preferred pronouns reduces risk of suicide in children by 43%' but I'm not sure where these are coming from, never mind if they're correct or not!

I feel like anyone can just share any stats and no one will question it, especially when it comes to the mental health of children and I'd quite like to rebuff if possible with some real information!

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RobinMoiraWhite · 28/11/2021 21:37

@OneEpisode

I think the stats show that being supportive makes the person being supported feel better. That’s it. That’s all any survey shows.

So being supported through transition (social, medical, surgical) feels better than not, when questioned. But mental health doesn’t improve with these transitions when any imperial research is done.

And when transitions end (because there is nothing else medicine can offer) mental health can crash, and suicidal ideation peaks.

Happy to offer you some personal stats.

I fought against transition for more than 30 years, including several periods of depression including suicidal ideation. When I transitioned 10 years ago, a great weight lifted from me and I live a happy and authentic life, filled with a calmness and comfort in my own skin that I never knew before.

And my mental health is empricially far better than ever before.

Oh, and I could introduce you to 20 friends and acquaintances who give similar histories.

LonginesPrime · 28/11/2021 21:25

I'd quite like to rebuff if possible with some real information

It might also be worth looking at the studies that have shown a decrease in mental performance for girls/women reminded of their sex before tests - I don't have the details but I think there are a few adult studies and a school-age study out there, IIRC.

Obviously, that's more related to everyone stating pronouns but it might also provide some helpful context depending on your arguments.

334bu · 28/11/2021 20:40

One long-ranging study estimated a suicide rate for gender dysphoric people of 0.6%.
Every suicide is a tragedy, and one suicide is a suicide too many. With such a serious issue, accuracy is critical.

A Swedish government-commissioned study [1] found that 39 of 6334 gender dysphoric individuals — 0.6% — died by suicide.

The UK’s largest gender clinic, the Gender Identity Development Service, states that [2]

Suicide is extremely rare.

Similarly, the Chair of the Child and Adolescent Committee for the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH), Dr Laura Edwards-Leeper, remarks [3]:

As far as I know there are no studies that say that if we don’t start these kids immediately on hormones when they say they want them that they are going to commit suicide. So that is misguided…in terms of needing to intervene medically to prevent suicide and doing it quickly, I know of no studies that have shown that.

This reinforces the point that talking about suicide is not the same as dying by suicide. While there is evidence [4] that suicidal ideation is higher among gender-dysphoric youth than in the general population, an increase in suicidal ideation rates is not proof of an equal increase in suicide rates themselves.

However, the way suicidality is reported can affect numbers of suicides. A significant body of academic research from across the world, known as the Werther Effect, has found links between certain types of reporting of suicides and increased suicide rates [5].

REFERENCES

[1] Swedish National Board of Health and Welfare (2020). Utvecklingen av diagnosen könsdysfori: Förekomst, samtidiga psykiatriska diagnoser och dödlighet i suicid. Socialstyrelsen. [Link]

[2] Gender Identity Development Service (2021). Evidence base. [Link]

[3] Daum, Meghan (2021). “We Feel Like We’re In The Wild West:” Parents of Gender-Questioning Kids Ask Their Own Questions. The Unspeakable Podcast, October 4, 2021. [Link]

[4] Aitken, M., Vanderlaan, D., Wasserman, L., Stojanovski, S. & Zucker, K. (2016). Self-Harm and Suicidality in Children Referred for Gender Dysphoria. Journal of the American Academy of Child & Adolescent Psychiatry 55. [Link]

[5] Acosta, F. J., Rodríguez, C. J., Cejas, M. R., Ramallo-Fariña, Y. & Fernandez-Garcimartin, H. (2020) Suicide Coverage in the Digital Press Media: Adherence to World Health Organization Guidelines and Effectiveness of Different Interventions Aimed at Media Professionals. Health Communication 35 (13). [Link]

Statsforgender.org

Leafstamp · 28/11/2021 19:57

You might find something here OP

www.statsforgender.org/

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 28/11/2021 19:26

MN as a number of relevant threads with a quick look at putting the following into your favourite search engine:

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights suicide myths

There are more results in you vary the terms:

site:mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights suicide trans

OneEpisode · 28/11/2021 18:41

I think the stats show that being supportive makes the person being supported feel better. That’s it. That’s all any survey shows.

So being supported through transition (social, medical, surgical) feels better than not, when questioned. But mental health doesn’t improve with these transitions when any imperial research is done.

And when transitions end (because there is nothing else medicine can offer) mental health can crash, and suicidal ideation peaks.

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