Does anyone have any real stats on mental health and using preferred pronouns?

In answer to the question, I think one female centred organisation did some research a couple of years back into teen suicide and could find no link to being transgender.

Which is very positive news, that nobody was actually killing themselves due to being trans.

But until the enormous benefits for trans people enabled to live our lives in freedom and peace are recognised, then 'questions' will be interpreted as hate however legitimate they may be.

Your freedom to live your life surely ends at the point that you step into female spaces and start blethering on about yourself in answer to a question about actual facts.

Like coming on MN FWR telling us all about you.

Do you not even see this? Does it ever register that the OP isn't asking about YOU.

It was the same reasoning that has had some research projects cancelled.

It is, as I miswrote previously, also a premise that would negate evidence-based appraisals for health and social care.

How can we recognise benefits if we can't measure them? How can research be done if we can't ask questions?

What is the suggestion here, research can't be conducted because it would be 'interpreted as hate', therefore we are to go on 'personal stats' , which I presume means personal anecdote? Have I understood you correctly, Robin?

I agree. But until the enormous benefits for trans people enabled to live our lives in freedom and peace are recognised, then 'questions' will be interpreted as hate however legitimate they may be.

What an odd thing to say. This is about empirical evidence.

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I'd quite like to rebuff if possible with some real information!

Stephanie Davies Arai has testimonies aka real information on the devastating impact on mental health of children. Mental health is mentioned 9 times in this video clip

Section 6 here might be worth a read safeschoolsallianceuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/redflagsa4.pdf

(Same document as just posted by FindTheTruth on another thread)

pronouns - particularly for children

Adults like Robin is one thing. children are another thing entirely.

there's mounting evidence that teaching gender identity to children is the CAUSE of mental health problems, so I'd suggest starting there rather than jumping to pronouns.

OP for UK the best stats would be from NHS.

Of course for some reason services like NHS, police etc collecting both sex and gender, giving a huge data set that would massively help the trans population in loads of ways.

Must not happen.

Questions do not=hate. How fucking ridiculous.

Personal stats??!!

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But until the enormous benefits for trans people enabled to live our lives in freedom and peace are recognised, then 'questions' will be interpreted as hate however legitimate they may be.

I think it is generally recognised that there are benefits for anyone, trans or not, when they are able to live their lives in freedom and peace, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at here @RobinMoiraWhite.

Trans people in the UK have the same rights and protections as everyone else. What more do you believe has to be done for the benefit of trans people before you will stop interpreting any questions on the subject of transgenderism as hate?

This thread was started by someone who wanted to know more about whether any statistics existed about the benefits of changing pronouns for children who identify as transgender. I didn't interpret the OP's desire to know more about this as 'hate'. Could you explain why you interpret a wish to understand more via research and statistics as 'hate'?

But until the enormous benefits for trans people enabled to live our lives in freedom and peace are recognised, then 'questions' will be interpreted as hate however legitimate they may be.

If you don't have quantitative data, you could just say that.

It doesn't mean something isn't true because there aren't any stats on it. It just means that no-one has funded research on it yet.

Why are you interpreting asking whether there are any reliable statistics out there as hate? Are we talking about science or religion here?

So we're not allowed to ask any questions until Robin has what Robin wants? Otherwise they are hate speech?

I think I pretty much had the same conversation today at home about who had eaten the last packet of salt and vinegar crisps but that was with a four year old.

Not quite what you asked for OP, but could be interesting to challenge this by asking querying the impact on the mental health of those who are compelled to express a belief they do not hold. Or who live in fear of ‘slipping up’.

Oft quoted article: fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

But until the enormous benefits for trans people enabled to live our lives in freedom and peace are recognised, then 'questions' will be interpreted as hate however legitimate they may be.

That has absolutely nothing to do with whether calling a female child “he” is ultimately helpful .

Happy to offer you some personal stats.

The OP asked for real stats. On pronouns. For children.

The answer OP, is that there aren’t any good stats, because the few studies there are show kids feel better if “supported”, which includes a variety of things. Which makes entire sense because if you tell a young child or teenager that you agree with them then they’re bound to feel happy in that particular moment.

But the studies don’t reflect suicide accurately and they don’t reflect that the confrontation with reality, particularly for teenage girls, is just kicked down the road.

The word 'stats' is doing some heavy lifting there isn't it Robin?

www.transgendertrend.com/the-suicide-myth/

Study of over 8k people:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7317390/