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Beyond Opposition research project?

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Wanderingowl · 27/11/2021 16:06

Does anyone know anything about this research project being run in the UK, Canada and Ireland? I followed a promoted link to it from Reddit and have read through some of the website but feel very suspicious about what it's setting out to find.

beyondopposition.org/faq/#WProjectAbout

OP posts:
LonginesPrime · 27/11/2021 22:35

From "who can take part":

Initially, we are looking for people who have concerns about, or who object to, same-sex marriage, transgender peoples’ rights to access single sex spaces, gay couples having children, abortion and other recent changes to the law in Ireland, the UK and Canada. Later in the research we will include those who are supportive of these rights.

The "and" rules me out.

What a silly mistake to make to assume that people who object to one of those things will object to all of them.

dyslek · 27/11/2021 22:18

Dont know why but I get a creepy vibe from that webpage.

Manderleyagain · 27/11/2021 22:06

If people like us don't contribute, and the only ppl who do contribute object to abortion access & gay rights aswell as self id, then the project will find that the best way to understand objections to tw access to some female spaces is to see it as part of a traditional social conservative pov. Their findings will back up the thing that we disagree with. If they get a lot if feminist responses, then their findings should reflect that there are objections from a feminist/liberal position. If lots of feminists & some gay couples with children who think access to safe abortion is important filled in the survey explaining why they don't agree with the other thing, it might have an effect. It would make it harder to ignore at least.

I assume the purpose is to try and understand where ppl are coming from so that they can learn how to counter the objections, persuade ppl and bring them (us) with them. That's how it should have been working all along, rather than Denton tactics and no debate.

I am probably being naive.

OldCrone · 27/11/2021 21:22

This is what it says in the link in the OP

This project seeks to explore the everyday experiences of those who do not agree with some or all of the changes to sexual and gender rights in the 21st Century in Ireland, the UK and Canada. This includes people who have concerns about, or who object to, recent social and legal changes like same-sex marriage, transgender peoples’ rights to access single sex spaces, gay couples having children, abortion and other developments.

They are confusing women's concerns about males accessing women-only spaces with issues such as abortion, same-sex marriage and gay couples having children.

If they can't see the difference between concerns about males accessing women-only spaces and the other issues, I don't hold out much hope for any research they might be doing on this. 'Men are not women' is not exactly rocket science.

ChickenonaMug · 27/11/2021 21:01

I decided not to take part after I found out that one of the researchers (Dr Elizabeth Ablett/Liz Ablett) had signed this letter calling Women’s Place UK an anti-trans
campaign group which have “propagated ignorant and harmful narratives through the use of offensive stereotypes, drawing a false dichotomy between trans rights and women’s rights, and misrepresenting both empirical research and current laws. The group has thereby played a role in creating moral panic about trans people’s role in public life, and contributed to atmosphere of fear and shame among trans people.”

openletterbristol.wordpress.com/

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 27/11/2021 19:10

I took part because the initial info put support for women’s single-sex rights in the same bracket as opposition to things most feminists support, such as abortion rights and gay marriage. I was surprised anyone would make that mistake, as feminists obviously support women’s rights.

I hadn’t really understood, at first, that the researchers’ background was in queer theory. The odd slant of the questions make more sense to me now. Feminism, based in material reality, is a threat to the fantasies of QT and genderism.

I hope Beyond Opposition is a genuine attempt by QT believers to understand feminists’ concern for single-sex rights.

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 27/11/2021 19:03

This link doesn't work: beyondopposition.org/ethos-of-the-project/

However, there's a reasonable overview of the ethos here:

beyondopposition.org/about-the-project/

Would it be worth contacting The Countess to see if they know more about it and if they have an opinion?

thecountess.ie/

parietal · 27/11/2021 17:55

the website looks detailed & sensible. they have ERC funding which is v v hard to get, so that implies they are respected researchers

if you want more info on what the project leader (Kath Browne) has published before, you can look at her record here
scholar.google.com/citations?user=OWZxuHUAAAAJ&hl=en&oi=ao