Schoolgirls rejecting mixed toilets over boys’ bad behaviour - Times Scotland

I think parents have successfully fought this at a school in the Highlands? Ridiculous that this battle has to be fought school by school.

Good on the kids at Kelso high school! Very sensible

Many have been through years of brainwashing about this, from social media, MSM, peers, families and especially from schools. Many might not think past #bekind and envision the consequences. That’s a significant part of why children legally cannot consent to sex, because regardless of what they think they want or are ok with, they cannot envision consequences. That part of the human brain doesn’t develop until older.

Children should not be put in a position to consent to their rights, safety, dignity and privacy being given away.

Grown ups need to be the grown ups. Those trained in safeguarding need to follow good safeguarding practices and policies should follow laws. And the buildings regulation act make it clear schools toilets must be single sex and the equality act makes that clear also.

Teachers don’t get to outsource their responsibilities to children.

I will also add that my 14 year old DS does not want to share toilets with girls, and has said he would rather not go.

There has also been anecdotal evidence that at Kelso high school the kids decided amongst themselves and have essentially made the toilets single sex.

As a parent with a child at one of the new schools to be built, and a daughter starting high school in 2 years, this is absolutely something I am willing to go into battle over.

It has already been proven to not work in 2 school in the Borders, so why are they going to to do it in the new schools.

Perhaps ask the children, and by that I mean all of them and not bend the to tiny minority of kids who want this, as they don't feel they fit into either category.

Post at 11.12 I meant gay and bisexual men know why they shouldn’t use the women’s toilets.

The typo that’s there detracts from meaning. Sorry I didn’t notice it earlier.

Because everyone thinks so little of girls.

We FEEL like those involved in any safeguarding role/in educating children should value them. It’s unthinkable to consider they don’t. But the reality is teachers/local authorities are no different to the rest of the world. A small % will value girls like we do, a small % will be active predators seeking access to girls, most will be the usual turn-a-blind-eye misogynists.

The latter group are the largest and the most insidious imho. They all say they value girls but their actions show otherwise. Most of them even believe they value girls, because they can’t see their own internalised misogyny in their actions. And they won’t see it, if they faced it they’d have to face they treat themselves that way, or in the case of men, that they treat women they claim to love that way.

The cognitive dissonance is huge.

I have sent my older DD to an all girls school to avoid this sort of crap, hoping that younger DD gets in too. Why do these local authorities think so little of girls?

Gay and bisexual men know which toilet to use and why they shouldn’t use the men’s.

The article should be challenged.

Hardly surprising. Actually pretty worrying especially at rougher secondary schools given some of the shit some boys get up to in there. Fuck knows what pigs some would act like if a girl or two entered alone.

Third spaces would solve confusion

I actually think third spaces have no place in.schools.

Adults need to apply boundaries as the children haven't learnt to yet.

Everyone has a sex. Regardless of identity trans boys and non binary females still face the same.risks from boys/males and need the set up for their biological needs as girls.

By having this third mixed sex space we are placing those females at risk. They need protecting from themselves tbh

Gosh, I wonder why no one foresaw all these issues?

Well partly because they had their fingers in their ears screaming lalalalala as they chased their political hobby horse.

The obvious bloody answer is to add some mixed sex options to male and female ones, and be very clear that the choice is birth sex OR mixed sex space. Everyone's needs met. Equally.

Also, this from the article linked above is just insane

"Opponents have raised concerns that women and children are more likely to be harassed and sexually assaulted in them compared to sex-segregated facilities.

But advocates argue that they eliminate confusion from members of the LGBTI (lesbian, bisexual, trans and or intersex communities) over going to the ‘wrong toilet’."

Oh well, who gives a fuck about girls safety, rape and sexual assault as long as the tiny, tiny LGBTQ community is less confused about which toilet to use. That seems a reasonable trade off?

Third spaces would solve confusion.

Unless of course the aim is really to exclude girls from education and /or increase the number of girls who are sexually assaulted. I'm assuming this is really what the advocates of mixed sex toilets want. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

One of the main things that charities do to enable girls to access education in developing countries is install single sex toilets. It's well known this is a prerequisite for girls attending school.

Biology isn't any different just because we're supposedly a 'developed' country (hollow laugh).

I think mixed sex toilets directly breach Human Rights law - children have the human right to access education. Girls can't access education during their period (men don't seem to realise this can be a quarter of their lives, potentially) if they're mixed sex.

As well as the rest of the time for safety and dignity, but especially during their periods for basic hygiene.

And girls that aren't using the toilet all day aren't able to engage with education either.

Move over the Taliban, this is 2021 Scotland.

It's in the Southern too Harry Scott seems to really get it.

I'm.often also puzzled at the implication they are apparently safer and cleaner etc where was all this extra supervision and cleaning with the single sex loos?

You cant basically blackmail the kids into using them by leaving the single sex ones in a filthy crumbling unsafe state then be surprised they choose to use the ones the teachers actwatch ajd that have a toilet seat and paper.

At least the accessible toilets have an alarm pull.

But the solution is clearly not that disabled kids with their poxy one toilet in an.entire school share it with all the asthmatics and allergy kids. All this inconvenience and preventing access to a toilet to girls , and aby child with mental or physical.illness that would be ok to use a loo til a bunch if adults decided to play along that they have no idea what sex is.

I'd love to see the impact assessments there's not one positive point besides not having to say no to a trans kid

Agree whatwouldscullydo - fully enclosed toilets don't prevent problems either

An ideal toilet is a single seater with a wash basin and its own floor to ceiling door out onto a corridor with cctv looking at the door

Except these present problems too.

Who's gonna watch the cctv🤔
What happens if someone with asthma/panic attacks/epilepsy/anaphylaxis/disabilities etc needs help? No one would know there were there as you'd not see see feet under the door. Males them.perfevt for drug taking, vaping and sexual exploits..

Cctv is all very well to identify students after the incident but it doesn't stop anyone being pushed in attacked and no one seeing 2 pairs of feet

Toilets are always a problem area in schools. Whether they be separated or ‘mixed’

Many pupils do not want to use them, particularly when others are in. It was quite usual for pupils to need to go just after break or lunchtime. After a while of asking ‘why didn't you go at break’ I realised the problem and would let them go, telling them to blend in with the other stragglers.

My youngers and betters (smt) didn't always get this and, over the years, had total toilet bans in lesson time, toilet passes, passes for those with medical conditions etc.

To do this properly is far more than changing the stickers on doors.

It should involve knocking down walls, plumbing, new doors, new walls, cctv etc. And then new signs.

An ideal toilet is a single seater with a wash basin and its own floor to ceiling door out onto a corridor with cctv looking at the door.

Too many try do this on the cheap/can’t afford to do it properly.

Anyone with half a brain and experience of teenagers could have told them this would happen. Secondly I fear we are returning to the bad old days when women (i.e. people who menstruate) did not leave home as there were no lavatories available for them. And thirdly who wants to wade through the smell of urine or actual urine to try to find a clean toilet?

Is it legal for schools to do this? If they are fully enclosed cubicles with sinks? My DC school has also gone down the mixed sex toilets route too, although apparently in practice, there are boys and girls 'sides'.

Resin? Reason