Anti trans for asking not to conflate sex with gender?

I could preface everything I say with "in my opinion," but you can just assume it.

It's easier than saying "some women and trans men" every single time.

Yeah. We get it. YOU find it easier and therefore we, the women who disagree with you, should simply just accept YOUR preferences.

You really have no self awareness, do you?

I seem to have cross-posted with this. I fear I have wasted my time in explaining why "meltdown" is inappropriate language to use.

It's easier than saying "some women and trans men" every single time.

So you use exclusionary language because you find it more convenient, and it's fine when you do it because it's you, eh?

I am looking very hard through my test for the word "hysterical," which I never use, and I can't find it.

What do you think 'meltdowns' refer to?

I'm not against your opinion because you are a women, but because I agree with this example of inclusive language and do not agree with the gender critical position, and the assigning to me of views about the menopause in the interest of diverting from a very straightforward issue.

You are attempting to tell women how they should discuss issues that relate to only them. You are also telling us that you believe ALL women know what body functions and body parts are called so that instead of using the word 'Woman' it can be detached from our body parts and our body processes and functions to the generic people.

You are speaking from a male perspective and have absolutely no experience about the discrimination that female's have faced because of our body parts and functions and the shame attached to them, yet you advocate to continue it to accommodate a sub-group of females who have identified out of being women yet seek to continue to shame women who reject being referred to as 'people who'.

I am uncomfortable with usage of the word meltdown on this thread to describe posters who are disagreeing. It is a word normally used for how autistic people may react when in a state of being sensorily overwhelmed. Its usage here offends me as an autistic woman, and I gauge it is being used here to ridicule past posters.

This is a site that has always set out to welcome parents of children with additional needs, and parents themselves who have additional needs, and it's not in the spirit to appropriate such language to ridicule people you disagree with.

people whose attachment to the belief that trans men aren't men gives them brain fog

wow.

It's easier than saying "some women and trans men" every single time.

It's important when discussing siuch issues to use inclusive language and there is nothing whatsoever about the words "people who experience the menopause" which is hard to understand, or annoying, except for people whose attachment to the belief that trans men aren't men gives them brain fog.

Really.... just like people saying that using words like 'cervix' ignored the fact that 46% of women didn't even know they had a cervix.

Why is it that people who have bodies formed around the capacity to, or do still ejaculate think that they should have a say in what language women use to describe themselves?

You might want to look at the origins of the word...

Just a thought

I'm not against your opinion because you are a women, but because I agree with this example of inclusive language and do not agree with the gender critical position, and the assigning to me of views about the menopause in the interest of diverting from a very straightforward issue.

"Please use inclusive language" is not having a meltdown

And us saying 'no, we don't wish to use 'people' is not having a meltdown either. Yet..... here you are. Telling us we are having 'meltdowns'.....

You really hate women disagreeing with you, it seems.

@DadJoke so what do you do when the majority of those who experience menopause as are saying they want to be referee to as woman? Do you just disregard our views?

I would have no objection to that, but "people" is easier.

And who are you exactly to be giving us authority to use language 'you' approve of?

people is easier. For who? Exactly, WHO is using 'people' easier for?

How do you think the other people who aren't exercised about the issue cope with it easily?

Oh. See how clever he thinks he is being.

Men not males
Women not females

Like none of us have seen that hokum before.

As one wise person once said - this ain't our first rodeo.

Your illogical statements are of note purely for your hubris and persistence.

If you think you are annoying anyone forget it. We respond for the lurkers. Those women who are newly questioning the gender ideology.

Your continued daftness is illuminating and quite useful.

Cheers 😁

Using 'people who' is the furthest from inclusive as you could get.

No, DadJoke we don't want or accept your idea of 'inclusion' and no, we are not interested in you lecturing us on something you know fuck all about.

“Woman” is not a gender. It’s a biological fact.

You can be a feminine man or a man who presents in a stereotypically feminine way, but that doesn’t make you a woman. And vice versa for women presenting in a stereotypically masculine way.

Stop conflating sex and gender, and stop considering “woman/man” as genders, because they aren’t.

I just want to point out that ‘Dadjoke’ is not an inclusive name.

Could you please change it to ‘personwhohasparentingrolljoke’

I’m feeling very excluded

You could certainly say "most women and trans men" - I would have no objection to that, but "people" is easier.

instead of having a meltdown because it's inclusive.

And yet... we are supposed to then pander to someone having a meltdown because the word 'woman' was used....

But DadJoke, menopause is nothing to be ashamed of and I don’t think it is swerving the issue at all.

I think there are certain issues which you only should be allowed to have strong opinions on if you have a lived experience. Racism is an obvious case, but I would say that menopause is another issue where lived experience really matters.

And I know that some people can find it embarrassing to discuss, I did that in the beginning but I am over that now. You really don’t have to worry . The women here are actually really supportive.

I think the lived experience and the mutual support over the flooding issues, the brain fog etc really is essential when discussing how to tailor a workshop to suit the target audience.

So.. we are again back to being hysterical if we disagree with a male?