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Anti trans for asking not to conflate sex with gender?

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OatALot · 25/11/2021 12:18

On a menopause event at work and in the comments section they are being asked to use inclusive language such as 'people who menstrate'. These are being challenged and those who challenged are being called terf and accusssd of making others feel unsafe.

The people doing the presentation therefore have taken the stance anyone can go through the menopause.

I'd love to feedback that they should not conflate sex and gender. Surely if we just talk in term of sex and a biological function it can't be challenged? It takes the discussion away from a condition impacting females.

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RedCarpetRebellion · 25/11/2021 13:11

@OatALot

On a menopause event at work and in the comments section they are being asked to use inclusive language such as 'people who menstrate'. These are being challenged and those who challenged are being called terf and accusssd of making others feel unsafe.

The people doing the presentation therefore have taken the stance anyone can go through the menopause.

I'd love to feedback that they should not conflate sex and gender. Surely if we just talk in term of sex and a biological function it can't be challenged? It takes the discussion away from a condition impacting females.

The NHS inclusive language document makes it clear they use biological sex when it’s issues about biological sex (which obviously menopause is) and use ‘trans friendly terms’ only when talking to an exclusively trans audience.

Unless this is only for a trans audience I’d say it ignores this.

Sex is also a protected characteristic. They can’t exclude women to prioritise another protected characteristic.

It also makes it much more confusing for anyone who has a language barrier. Which will likely also include people who come under the PC of disability or race/ethnicity etc often.

They could use women and other people who menstruate if they want to be inclusive. At a push.

Thelnebriati · 25/11/2021 13:08

Quote The Equality Act in your response, they can't rewrite the law.

Sex is a named protected characteristic. Its an offense to create a hostile environment for others based on their protected characteristic; so the people challenging others for standing up for their sex based rights should have their comments removed at the very least.

Victimisation
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/27

Harassment
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

The Civil Service has a legal duty to act on your complaint.
''The Equality Act 2010 requires public authorities to:
• Eliminate unlawful discrimination, harassment and victimisation and other conduct prohibited by the Act.
• Advance equality of opportunity between people who share a protected characteristic and those who do not.
• Foster good relations between people who share a protected characteristic and those who do not.''
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/149

Doona · 25/11/2021 13:04

How is 'a person who menstruates' worse than 'a woman who menstruates' ?

MarshmallowSwede · 25/11/2021 13:00

It’s dehumanizing language. Why the refusal to use the word for adult human females?

Are people aware of the strategy often used in warfare and in conquering a population that one strategy is psychological warfare?

Banning the language of the population is often used. Banning certain words etc.

It breaks down the unity of the population and it promotes fear in that population out of being harmed for breaking the rules.

I’m not saying that this is a strategy being used, but you can see after effects from populations that had their language outlawed.

OatALot · 25/11/2021 12:58

Well it's finished and I want to feedback. I think I want to complain about the use of terf. Someone also suggested we use hormone deficient syndrome or something along those lines.

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Theeyeballsinthesky · 25/11/2021 12:56

Sorry OP that’s really rubbish! If it’s anonymous why would you be in trouble?

OatALot · 25/11/2021 12:53

It's the civil service. Tbh I have no idea whether I'd get into trouble.

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ScrollingLeaves · 25/11/2021 12:49

They should be using the correct language related to the biological state of being a woman which is a protected characteristic.

ScreamingBeans · 25/11/2021 12:43

Write right back, that you are being made to feel unsafe by the erasure of the word woman from a conversation about biological female physical processes. You are also being made to feel unsafe by being misrepresented as Cis when you don't believe in genderism and you are being made to feel unsafe by the implication that your legally allowed views are not allowed to be aired in this environment.

Fuck them. It's time to start using their own shitty unsafe language against them. Fight safety with safety!

OatALot · 25/11/2021 12:29

Colleagues in the annonomous comments section of Teams when someone challenged the 'people who menstrate' comment. We were also referred to as CIS in the comments.

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Kotatsu · 25/11/2021 12:29

Has someone missed the point that the menopause is about turning a 'person who menstruates' into a 'person who doesn't menstruate'?

How are they going to talk about menopausal women, and those who have gone through menopause? 'people who once menstruated, but don't expect to be doing it again?'

Helleofabore · 25/11/2021 12:26

Sorry? Who is accusing others of being a terf? A professional consultant? Colleagues?

Coyoacan · 25/11/2021 12:25

Sorry, no suggestions, but I'm just gobsmacked that they want to talk about menopause without reference to biology.

OatALot · 25/11/2021 12:24

It was all done annonomoulsy.

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trumpisagit · 25/11/2021 12:23

That is factually true.
I think it sensible to ask them to be clear about their language.
It's great that some feel able to challenge.

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