Stella Creasey forbidden from bringing her baby to Parliament

They didn't trial it they implemented it. Got loads of positive press.

And then reversed the decision behind the scenes. In September. Didn't draw attention. Even speaker of house wasn't aware of rule change.

Speaker of house has ordered review of change.

I find it fascinating that though whole thread my posts with FACTS and ones that are in the news.

Have been completely ignored in favour of having a big argument about women, work and children in general. Scattered with incorrect 'facts' about HoC etc.

Totally understandable as work women and children is a popular topic to have a big old ruck about.

But even those usually some posters at least are interested in actual situation!

Anyway doubt anyone interested in this post

They trialled having the baby in the house. It turns out a lot of people, including mothers of babies, were unhappy.
Who are these lot of people? BTW, mothers of babies can be as obstructive and misogynistic as anyone else as this thread and others show. Fortunately the Speaker has requested a review into this new rule.

[quote KimikosNightmare]As for children being on a farm- I grew up on one. Farms can be dangerous for adults, let alone children.

www.nidirect.gov.uk/news/child-safety-farms[/quote]
Yes, I used to work with someone who grew up on a farm. She said her dad never recovered after one of the children was killed when they were at work with him. I also remember visiting some distant relatives on a farm, dad's 2nd cousins or something. Their child had died when playing on a tractor while dad was working.

I don't think taking a child to work on a farm is a good idea.

One of my children was in hospital, anaesthetist came round to check children before the op, he had a toddler with him. He seemed very distracted when I tried to talk to him, I felt my child wasn't 100% and was concerned whether we should go ahead or delay the op. Well talking to him was difficult as toddler wanted his attention. He was most disgruntled when I said I was discharging my child, he asked why and I said I didn't feel happy with him doing the anaesthetic.

Some jobs need your full attention.

It wasn't allowed in that there were written rules to permit it, but it was forbidden as there were no rules saying it wasn't allowed.
Now those rules have been made. The speaker is responsible for the administration of the house and has control over all the areas of Parliament that relate to HofC. I would say the debating chamber comes under that. Hoyle should have made himself aware of what was going on. The ruling was made by the Ways and Means committee, the chairman of which is the Deputy Speaker (Elizabeth Laing). So presumably the Speaker and his principal deputy do talk.

They trialled having the baby in the house. It turns out a lot of people, including mothers of babies, were unhappy. It's their working environment too. SC said that she had received comments about it from Labour colleagues - the people she sits amongst.

That's what trials are for, to see if something works or not. This might have worked for SC, but it's clear it did not work for many others.
Mothers are besotted wuth their babies (rightly so) and can see no harm. Others are not besotted and maybe don't want to share an office with a crying baby or sit next to a pooping baby. Or maybe they'd just like a grown up, child free environment where they can relax from domestic duties and concentrate on what they're doing. So maybe it is a problem for them.

You can vote in the house of commons if you're on maternity leave, ill, overseas working, out of Parliament working, or anything in fact the speaker is happy to authorise you for.

The Speaker was happy for SC to be in Chambers because it was allowed before. Unfortunately someone was unhappy and a rule change was put on the books without informing the Speaker. SC turned up with her baby, did her job and didn't prevent anyone else from doing theirs.

You are choosing to ignore the generous maternity provision and facilities which have been pointed out many times.

If you or your husband were advising me on anything I was paying you fees for if either of you turned up with your children in tow I'd be looking for another advisor.

And that is your choice. If I elected Stella Creasy I'd be delighted that she could vote in the HoC on my behalf. Even if she does have a baby.

As for children being on a farm- I grew up on one. Farms can be dangerous for adults, let alone children.

www.nidirect.gov.uk/news/child-safety-farms

As far as I'm concerned it's rude to me as your client. Your focus during the time I am being billed for your advice should be on my affairs- not diverted to your private family life.

It's not about pretending that it's perfectly possible to both care for a baby and work, it's about Reasonable Accommodation for working mothers.

Oh my granny took her children to the market stall/ my granny took her children into the fields every day. Yes that's just like every other modern work place today.

And as another poster pointed out, pretending that it's perfectly possible to both care for a baby and work is actively harmful to women's rights - logically makes maternity leave (or paternity leave for that matter) an unnecessary indulgence.

Oh and my granny brought her DC when she worked in the market. In fact all over the world and throughout history women have brought their children to work.

They haven't forbidden her from taking her baby into her offices, they have just said she can't take children into the debating chamber.

As a result of a recent sneaky rule change that even the Speaker was unaware of.
@KimikosNightmare, I took DC2 into meetings and training, ExH took DC1 on recces and onto set, BiL is a farmer and has the DC with him regularly and my brother actually set up his own business with his children in tow because he didnt want to leave his son and return to office working for someone else. I get that it's not for everyone and very much depends on the parent, child and job.

Yes people have criticised her as you say but how you turned that into "she shouldn't work/ she should be in the kitchen" is entirely down to your imagination.

I can think of loads of jobs where it's fine. All the self employed women (and some men) I know have taken their children to work at some point. Of course it's not suitable if you are performing surgery or drilling the road, but doing paperwork, research or voting can be done with a baby in tow

"Doing paperwork"

I was "doing paperwork" on a multi- million pound contract last week. I couldn't do that and look after a small child at the same time.

What are these "loads of jobs where it's fine"?

@TooBigForMyBoots
but doing paperwork, research or voting can be done with a baby in tow.
They haven't forbidden her from taking her baby into her offices, they have just said she can't take children into the debating chamber.

I can think of loads of jobs where it's fine. All the self employed women (and some men) I know have taken their children to work at some point. Of course it's not suitable if you are performing surgery or drilling the road, but doing paperwork, research or voting can be done with a baby in tow.

Nobody is saying anything of the kind.
Yes they are. Shes been called "entitled", "attention seeking" and the obligatory "do the same as the rest of us plebs" race to the bottom. The sort of misogynist bullshit likely to be seen on Red Pill or 4Chan.

That's not taking a child to the workplace; it's dealing with an unanticipated childcare issue. Luckily, the child in question was old enough to look after himself and did not require his parent's full attention.

My former workplace made it clear that no children were allowed as there were health and safety and insurance liability issues.

I can think of very few jobs where it's appropriate to take children to work.

A male boss of mine used, occasionally, to have his son in the office after school if there was a childcare emergency. His son was old enough to be left to get on with his homework without needing supervision or interrupting his father's work but too young to be left at home.

But beyond that- you're either doing your job or looking after your children.