HSBC advert: gender should never be a barrier to opportunity

@TinyTear I know. I was particulary wondering how one is supposed to pronounce 'Pr'. Like Mr??

Why the hell have they never managed to change my credit card from Mrs to Ms - I have asked a million times!!! Perhaps I would have more luck if I asked them to change it to Mr.

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I spotted that!
100% of these "HSBC gender opportunity people" are of the penis having variety.
How interesting.....

In this brave new world it is often the case that all the images are of males. The ruling sex have created a way to claim they are diverse whilst excluding women

[quote TarasCrazyTiara]@Gncq

I thought their whole deal was that sex was just physically differences and gender was stuff that was “learned” like wearing dresses/make up etc and that the sexes would be pretty much the same if “gender” was t forced on us etc.

Basically that women and men’s differences aren’t inherently in their minds? I don’t agree but I thought that was their position?[/quote]
There's a misconception that people think feminists campaigning for "equality" means feminists want everyone to be the same.

Men and women are different. That's pretty much central to feminism.

Feminists never campaigned to change the definition of gender. It's usage changed long before the women's liberation movement began.

Gender was used to mean "feminine/masculine" as far back as 1474 according to the OED, then evolved into euphemism for sex as in birth sex in the late 1800s.

@Gncq

I’m just saying so long as there’s a chance for us to get payed employment I don’t care if some workplaces are mainly male or female. It’s for the best.

Banks probably love it when men identify as women. It means they improve their male to female ratios in senior roles without ever employing any women.

Why should I care if the nail salon would rather not hire the bearded bodybuilder or some men’s soccer club won’t have women administrators?

🤣 Yeah, why should women care when no one wants to hire them because they have female bodies... Not the employers fault a woman might fall pregnant. Sack the b*tches I say.

@Gncq

I thought their whole deal was that sex was just physically differences and gender was stuff that was “learned” like wearing dresses/make up etc and that the sexes would be pretty much the same if “gender” was t forced on us etc.

Basically that women and men’s differences aren’t inherently in their minds? I don’t agree but I thought that was their position?

then feminists campaigned to change that

Feminists didn't campaign for that

I mean as you say gender and sex used to be the exact same thing, then feminists campaigned to change that and now I guess trans are campaigning to change it from what feminists changed it too? What makes one right and the other wrong? The world doesn’t just stop when your particular group has changed words to the meanings they like best.

Although to be honest if men or women only want to hire their own gender I couldn’t really be arsed about it if they’ve started the company or whatever. Why should I care if the nail salon would rather not hire the bearded bodybuilder or some men’s soccer club won’t have women administrators? Who gives a shit, it’s all gone too far.

Years ago I would have said gender instead of sex, because sex is a rude word and gender is more polite. The two words meant the same. But nowadays they are different words - sex is biological reality and gender is how you feel. Imo a lot of people haven’t realised this and are still using the two words interchangeably.

Yes Errol quite right.

People started to use gender in place of sex to mean which type of human you are, when people shortened "sexual intercourse" to "sex".

In early English we had
"sexual intercourse" the act,
"sex" the state of being one human or the other,
"Gender" referring to grammatical inflections, and masculine or feminine traits.

When, by the 20th century, "sex" replaced "sexual intercourse" our language got a bit weird when discussing non-intercourse related matters. Gender was a suitable replacement.

Now a mad ideology has come along, which is encroaching on words not limited to "sex/gender" which have evolved over time, but "man" and "woman" as nouns. These words are being completely eroded of all meaning. "Gender" is being misused. "Sex" too. Words like "violence," are being misused.

I don't think any words are safe from this movement.

We really need to fight against it.

And that's what we're seeing in Lords debates - every time someone tries to use "gender", someone immediately points out "what, this thing that comes in 100 varieties including moongender? You mean sex, don't you?".

I've started doing this in my (much humbler) real life too, asking "do you mean sex?" (The answer is usually yes.)

In their campaign to publicize this, they are using "gender" to mean exclusively "minority gender identity" rather than the more usual "gender identity or sex as preferred". That seems to me to be a further development that makes it increasingly harder to refer to women as a group (at all!) let alone women as a sex class.

I wouldn't have a problem with that actually - if "gender" was increasingly seen to be specifically talking about genderologist's "gender identity" concept or gender expression, so we had to start clearly saying "sex" to talk about male-vs-female issues, then that would surely be ideal?

This seems like it's drawing the gender-is-not-a-synonym-for-sex line.

And that's what we're seeing in Lords debates - every time someone tries to use "gender", someone immediately points out "what, this thing that comes in 100 varieties including moongender? You mean sex, don't you?".

Do you think anyone involved with this advert* - there must have been umpteen meetings about if and someone must have signed it off - would be able to articulate what they mean by "gender"?

*Or anyone else, I'm not fussy.

I'm now also side-eyeing the euphemism "gender based violence," which is becoming increasingly popular in Scotland as a replacement for "violence against women and girls

Yep.
I had a very similar conversation with a lovely lady from Christian Aid who wanted me to donate to their gender justice campaign.

I wanted clarity who exactly it was it intended to help, because women are oppressed by their sex, not by wearing skirts and having long hair. Encouragingly she said she'd had a number if people say the same thing.

But if helping people of a certain sex is the whole basis of your campaign, get off the fucking fence with your inaccurate, fluffy language and say it.

Meanwhile

gender-pay-gap.service.gov.uk/Employer/4PgmMjgy/2020

the web page links to details about how to change your bank account to have gender neutral title
Funny because I wanted to change my bank account to the gender neutral “Dr Magistera” and they wouldn’t let me! They said I had to make an appointment and provide written evidence of my eligibility to use that title.