HSBC advert: gender should never be a barrier to opportunity

Both of the CCs I've got at the moment just have my initials. My debit card has Dr. (Which is a bit odd as I don't remember ever telling them to use it, and I'm pretty sure the account preceded getting the doctorate. Maybe they picked it up after a pissy letter I had to write once.)

And in the current climate would any shop assistant dare to challenge someone obviously male with a female title and name on their credit card?

@GoodieMoomin That article is fascinating. Thanks

Yes, @LumosSolem, it's very hard to say anything. Not really all that surprising when you see senior HR staff use this language, which is somewhat ironic considering the topic!

I'm sure there are more of us. After all, what are the chances that I would post, and you would see my post?

@PoisonCrystal @LumosSolem there's a thread about identifying as disabled. Specifically, people who want to (or do) amputate limbs, blind themselves, become wheelchair bound or similar

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4410501-Article-quotes-for-discussion

I've worked in the past in retail, and the first, most basic check of a debit card was checking that the Mr/ Mrs matched the individual standing in front of you. Simple, but it cut out possible fraud by 50% of the population.

A simple, useful check, now removed for the sake of virtue signalling.

[quote PoisonCrystal]@LumosSolem
I also noted the reference to 'those who identify as female'.
Swiftly followed by “those who identify as disabled “. That’s the one! Hello colleague! 😁[/quote]
Yes @PoisonCrystal !

I'm glad to have seen your post- I wondered how many of us watching it picked up on it.

I get endlessly cross with references to gender at work, I wish I had the nerve to say something at times.

@LumosSolem
I also noted the reference to 'those who identify as female'.
Swiftly followed by “those who identify as disabled “. That’s the one! Hello colleague! 😁

We are already accused of a hate crime if we misgender someone because we can’t remember different pronouns for every single person. Now we’re going to be accused of mis-titling them too if we can’t remember multiple different titles. Why do we need more than one gender neutral title, surely Mx would suffice?

I think offering alternative titles is a sound idea - let people just enter their own rather than offer a selection. Using gender to mean gender identity works well, too - it matches with its use in phrases like gender stereotypes, gender norms, gender conforming or non-conforming.

As long as we can reserve sex for m or f we can have clarity of meaning all round and avoid confusion. Sex is biological fact; gender is societal construct. All good.

But if we are talking about sex-based violence against women and girls, we need to be clear and say VAWG. If we mean violence against people because of their gendered presentation or sexual orientation, that has different roots and needs a different name.

Both are abominable, both are serious, both are almost exclusively male crimes and both need to be targeted.

Great, that's - well - magic!
I'm now curious if it was even looked at by a human.

It's quite tame really, but I am just far too much of a wimp to use it.

My name printed on the card is

MAGIC Purple Butterfly Biscuits.

I’ve been trying years get my title from miss (since I was 8) to Ms with HSBC but never seems get changed. I may just go full hog for Mx instead If it’s only thing willing actually do

I'm curious to know what you decided on Purple

To be honest I am too scared to actually.use the card!

I also noted the reference to 'those who identify as female'.

I recently opened a second bank account with a new bank to keep a little money aside for something.

During the application, one of the questions was something like"How do you prefer to be addressed?"

There was a whole variety of titles, but I took the opportunity to really consider how I would ideally prefer to be addressed. In the end I chose the "other" option and was able to input my own choice into the text box. I was pretty gobsmacked when the debit card arrived complete with this title before my name!

Someone getting their title changed to Mx on their bank account and bank statement isn't going to cause civilisation to collapse. If i change my title to Mx it isn't going to affect anyone here, but i might do it and see if governments, laws, society starts crumbling like it's made out. Gc could even get their title changed to gc or xx or xy, whichever takes your fancy.

[quote malanimo]@TinyTear I know. I was particulary wondering how one is supposed to pronounce 'Pr'. Like Mr??[/quote]
That was one of the ones that stumped me... and the single M Monsieur like in French? or M like James Bond?