A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

It's all about nibbling away at the boundaries.

It is indeed. Queer Theory seeks to destabilise society to reform boundaries to suit different agendas. Sadly those agendas are not necessarily (a few might have been early on) the best for women and children. You only have to look at what motivated Foucault to understand it. Maybe barley should explain how Foucault's theories of destabilising boundaries is good for Girl Guides.

It is probably a timely reminder of just who might have been (ie. never confirmed from GG side I believe) on the advisory group to GG to shape this policy too.

It's all about nibbling away at the boundaries. If I can get away with this, what else can I have a little push at, which then paves the way for the next chanced to have a little nibble and a push and before you know it you have mix sex toilets and adults sharing accommodation with unrelated minors of the opposite sex and no one can say anything without looking bad. It's a pervert's wet dream.

If your prudishness is so extreme it makes the 1950s look permissive then perhaps it's time to think again.

You are very much into minimising this aren't you barley. You are now resorting to disparaging remarks about people's boundaries.

Also it's noteworthy this pic wasn't posted under her own name,

Yes, under a name referring to a sex act.

I don't think you are presenting yourself as a balanced and unbiased poster in the way you obviously believe you are. But I encourage you to continue because each time you post the readers understand more about how this has been allowed to happen.

It's not an explicit pic, it's not NSFW, its not something that would be out of place in a panto or carry on film. It's ridiculous to claim its a safeguarding risk based on a pretty vanilla fully clothed photo that could easily be a fancy dress outfit, I'm sure if you trawled through the social media of other women who work with children you would find no end of similar pics

It seems a little weird to make this claim when we are discussing children.

I would actually push back on your claim that other women who work with children would post similar pics. With references of a sexual nature, outfits and with inappropriate poses with guns (ie. not showing guns in a safe environment, or in an educational way, but in a fashion that encourages poor usage habits from young people and children seeking to copy).

You are so focused on this person being trans. This is not a person that I would be happy to have as a GG leader, female or male.

And seriously, the 'everyone is doing it so it is ok' argument if being applied, should be tightened up considerably. We know that social media is harmful to our children in seeing a constant stream of age inappropriate content. So, if that argument is being applied, time to revise it. It is NOT working.

An adult posting a pic of them wearing what is actually a fairly vanilla costume that wouldn't be ot of place in most nightclubs and making a comment that wouldn't be out of place in a carry on film or countless family entertainment shows is not a safeguarding matter and it's ridiculous to suggest otherwise. If your prudishness is so extreme it makes the 1950s look permissive then perhaps it's time to think again. If this were pictures of people having sex, or engaging in BDSM, or showed nudity, or were more explicit then it would be different, but it's not, it's a pic of someone in a leather dress making a a joke about being a Mistress. It's the kind of thing you might see in a family comedy film. I doubt it would even merit a PG certificate.

Also it's noteworthy this pic wasn't posted under her own name, so it's unlikely any girl guides searching social media for details of her would have seen it. Until now of course.

there is a picture of her holding a gun, you can literally get a shooting badge in the girl guides, lots of people have that hobby, its a sport

Holding a gun which if it were real isn't legal in the UK.

There is a world of difference between people who are members of responsible sporting gun clubs or game sports people and that photograph.

This person being trans is irrelevant.

Wow.

You really do hate safeguarding measures don't you?

Luckily, they are currently necessary both legally and morally by most normal people.

The GG has a duty to carty out adequate due diligence, which it has failed to in at least this instance, likely far more.

We have different value systems and share no overlapping common ground. Discussing safeguarding with you would be a waste of my time.

I speak as a mother, not as whatever drivel you seek to invent.

Anyone in charge of Child safeguarding is held to a higher standard, if you cannot see what is wrong here, which you clearly cannot, you are part of the problem.

It's disgusting.

What utter rubbish, barleybadminton !

There is nothing ‘safe’ about sadistic behaviours, so many women have been killed by assholes claiming rough sex that it should be clear by now.

The thread below, from feminism chat, is precisely about the damage that BDSM porn can cause girls (and of course boys). I wouldn’t want people like that kinky mistress 🤮anywhere near any kids. That you consider this ‘vanilla’ is nothing more than gaslighting.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4426917-Billie-Eilish-speaks-out-on-the-effect-of-viewing-porn-at-11-years-old

And she's not "posing with gun in lingerie", there is a picture of her holding a gun, you can literally get a shooting badge in the girl guides, lots of people have that hobby, its a sport. The desperation to find something to attack and destroy someone just trying to get on with their lives is truly depressing. It's nasty, it's bullying, and it's the meat and drink of the worst of the patriarchal tabloid press who will have no qualms about using this moral panic to attack and slut shame other women just like they used to.

It's not an explicit pic, it's not NSFW, its not something that would be out of place in a panto or carry on film. It's ridiculous to claim its a safeguarding risk based on a pretty vanilla fully clothed photo that could easily be a fancy dress outfit, I'm sure if you trawled through the social media of other women who work with children you would find no end of similar pics.

How do you know they have a fully functioning male penis btw? I can't see how you could know unless you've had sex with them.

In my role I see the lists that come from HQ to county. Anyone that hasn't had their DBS or Safe Space renewed will be removed by HQ. They restarted doing this recently as they had put removals on during covid. If local areas aren't doing the checks then they will be losing their volunteers

Minimising the gravity of the situation proves rather starkly just how effed up people's perception of acceptable behaviour is.

Eewww that's a bad take.

I wouldn't be keen on a woman posing with gun in lingerie, choosing to publicly display such images, being in charge of teenage girls.

I'd suggest that your safeguarding goggles are somewhat broken.

Added to this fact, they have a fully functioning male penis, which raises further red flags in any event due to simple crime statistics.

I don't like playing 'let's pretend' when children are involved.

Identify as whatever you want, in your own head, but the welfare and safety of children come first.

A person who feels publicising such fetishism is normal, may indeed not be fully aware of the appropriate boundaries needed to care for vulnerable teenagers.

GG severely failed in their vetting. Those photos should have been hidden before they took on the role.

There should be absolutely no cross-over, exposure of the leaders sexuality and the role as leader.

It isnt prudish, its common sense.

Exhibitionism is an active choice. You can have great sex, wear what you want, play with guns to your hearts content, but you do NOT need to send it out in to the world.

I wonder as to YOUR motives for excusing/justifying it?

Very unusual.

Except that we’re talking about a set of different inappropriate images and actions as well as potential irregularities about how they were fast tracked into a commissioner role

You’re making a false equivalence barleybadminton

And we’re asking GG to conduct the investigation and make information public (as they did for female leaders who they said broke their social media policy)

It's hardly an explicit poto, she could be going to a fancy dress party for all anyone knows. There are thousands of women whose careers would be ruined if wearing a leather dress and making a jokey comment about being a Mistress was enough to declare someone a safeguarding risk.

I remember when it was the News of the World that used to track down women and try shame them out of their careers because they had a kinky or non traditional sexuality, its depressing to see it being done on a forum that calls itself feminist.

She reminds me of a dear friend of mine who went into social work specifically to uphold child safeguarding. I remember her telling me about grooming many, many years ago - I wasn't aware of the term except as it applied to horses. She too said adults and organisations are targeted first to allow access to children. She was as fierce and as blunt as Lisa.

It's an excellent video, she's incredibly clear.

GG should be apologising to the people who raised safeguarding issues and begging them to come back to sort out the mess.

I can see why Lisa(?) was hounded off YouTube. She is so clear-sighted in her analysis. The TRAs must hate her pointing at the naked emperor (with a boner) and saying what she says.