A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog

And I worked in social care for over a decade and a half thanks, including working with vulnerable adults and young people with high support needs. Safeguarding was a pretty important part of that.

A quick google about safeguarding and referring to random irrelevant points taken from whatever document you've looked at does not constitute safeguarding training.
You're out of your depth, conflating different policies and protocols (that you don't know or understand) in a desperate attempt to prove that this person's behaviour is appropriate when working with children.
You're wrong and so are they.

And you've not had safeguarding training?

I have had safeguarding training as it happens. The key question in this case is whether they "behaved or may have behaved in a way that indicates they may not be suitable to work with children."

The example given in government guidance on this is someone being involved in an incident of domestic violence. The key point here is does the incident represent a 'transferable risk' that is is there a liklihood of this activity taking place in a setting with children. In this case that seems unlikely, it was a fairly benign post on an instagram account under a false name. She doesnt seem very likely to be about to turn up at a Girl Guide meeting brandishing a crop and wearing a corset. I verymuch dout any tribunal or safeguarding expert would consider that photo meets the threshold.

There is also provision to report a 'low level concern'. This is much more likely in this case and would not usually lead to loss of job, although it would be recorded and depending on the incident may invoke disciplinary action. There is certainly nothing in typical safeguarding policies or practice that would suggest this person should be fired and prevented from working with children again. Mostly likely, if the Girl Guides felt this met the threshold of a low level concern it would be recorded confidentially and dealt with by additional training, increased supervision or low level sanction.

barleybadminton my concerns are more about the sexualised comments online. The dress by itself is tacky and I cannot imagine a situation where GG would not express concerns about a female leader wearing it but it’s not the dress by itself and focussing on dress code is missing the more serious point.

Wearing that dress whilst holding a whip and saying they wanted to be called mistress is a 🚩

The obsession with breasts online is also a 🚩

And grim af, my personal experience from when I was a teenager, males with an obsession with breasts behave in a sexualised inappropriate creepy manner with teenage girls as they develop breasts, especially those who develop breasts quickly (obligatory NAMALT). And they didn’t even need to say anything inappropriate for teenage me to know which were obsessed with breasts 🤢

Any leader behaving in such a publicly sexualised manner would also be regarded as a 🚩

Anyone male, female, trans or nb posing with guns like that on social media would be a whole set of 🚩 🚩 🚩 many people have an interest in shooting but they don’t pose like that on publicly visible social media

Haha, try telling that to the entertainment companies who have
spent billions and successfully lobbied for ever more draconian
laws in an effort to shut down torrent sites. In over two decades they've barely made a dent in online piracy and most of that's not
even on the dark web

You probably should do some research before making yourself look foolish.
I currently cannot be bothered writing a whole screed that you will not read and may even passively aggressively comment on with more patronising words. I can guarantee though that if the will to shut down websites was there for whatever reason was deemed correct, those websites would be shut down.

How do you know? There's lot of goths on the kink scene. Perhaps we could have an agreed dress code that those who work with children must adhere to in public, lest their fashion choices corrupt young minds.

Condescension is really your middle name. Forgive us mere mortals for thinking that safeguarding our children is more important than allowing adults to flaunt their exhibitionism all over the internet.

You crack on making ignorant comments and showing contempt for child safeguarding badminton. It's always useful for lurkers to see which posters are careless about children's welfare

barleybadminton
As has been tediously repeatedly explained to you, most places that work with children also have a social media policy to take account of this (excepting the GG obv)

Most of us on here know that most workplaces have a dress code. And kinks and fetishes are not welcome around children (except sadly in the distorted minds of those obsessed by fetishes).?

Were they at work in that photo?

Most of us on here know that most workplaces have a dress code. And kinks and fetishes are not welcome around children (except sadly in the distorted minds of those obsessed by fetishes).

The intention behind Goth’s and Punk’s clothing is not sexual.

How do you know? There's lot of goths on the kink scene. Perhaps we could have an agreed dress code that those who work with children must adhere to in public, lest their fashion choices corrupt young minds.

“Datun

Terfydactyl
the technology which underpins the internet is very dfficult to control

This is actually not true. In this instance you have no idea what you're talking about. There is as yet no will to remove porn (as it makes money for a few and it keeps women in their place)
But it could easily be done and the dark web could easily be dismantled.
Obviously it would be an ongoing challenge but it very definitely could be overcome.
Of course. There's no appetite to do it, that's the problem.“

Yes, if the porn sites were somehow tempting Al Qaida or Russian propaganda sites they’d soon be made very difficult to access or shut down.

But if you read threads on other boards here about porn, a lot of people seem to see it as normal, natural or even a right.

@notoast and @ArabellaScott I’m so sorry.

@notoast. I’ve pm’d you

the technology which underpins the internet is very dfficult to control

This is actually not true. In this instance you have no idea what you're talking about. There is as yet no will to remove porn (as it makes money for a few and it keeps women in their place)
But it could easily be done and the dark web could easily be dismantled.
Obviously it would be an ongoing challenge but it very definitely could be overcome.

Fantastic post Arabella.

I would also apply the second half of it to the seemingly never-ending number of transvestites who appear to be quite open about part of their fetish being that women don't consent. Those who like to shock, those who write guardian columns about enjoying making female shop assistants collect up items for them, those who like trying on bras in women's changing rooms, those who, quite simply, enjoy the power they hold over others.

It' why I think transvestitism isn't a harmless fetish, it's why I don't like drag, I don't like public displays of bondage gear at so-called family pride marches, I don't laugh when I see police with adult male "pup"s on leads - I could go on.

The whole point of a fetish is that it's outside the norm (and until recently outside the view of society, which fits with the specific rules Arabella refers to above). Normalise the public acceptance of "minor, harmless" fetishes and the boundaries are simply pushed that little bit further.

I agree. No thank you.

ArabellaScott

•Frotteurism. A minor incident from a lifetime of bullshit rape culture (cw):•

•As a 10 year old girl, on the tube in London, a man masturbated against me*

@ArabellaScott
That was a dreadful thing to happen to you as a little girl. Absolutely nightmarish, and I am so sorry.

I wonder when it got its frothy French name?
Who were the English men so sophisticated that they were ready with the French?

@ArabelkaScott
“It's an interesting one, because if one is compelled to use the word 'harmless' it seems to be a tacit admission that the thing is not suitable or appropriate. “

You are right but until you said it I had not realised that before.

It is always said in the context where there certainly is harm of done kind, in order to dispute the harmfulness or in order to assert that it won’t be too harmful.

It's funny, I know many women active within the BDSM community. They are, for the most part, absolutely scrupulous about boundaries, consent and appropriate behaviour.

Speak to them, and they'd tell you how a strong, clear and thorough grasp of boundaries, clear communication, and informed consent are the absolutely fundamental basic condition to involvement of any form of BDSM. Dismissal, fudging, or attempts to minimise the importance of consent is usually picked up on quite quickly and hugely frowned on.

But of course there are predators and manipulative arseholes within the BDSM 'community', too. As you'd expect, predators are highly likely to target this type of community and try to erode the boundaries within it. Plenty abusive males are of course going to be keen to use any opportunity to access victims.

'safe, sane, and consensual' used to be the mantra. Don't seem to hear it so much anymore. Much more of the 'don't kink shame' and 'love is love' and 'pearl clutching'. I wonder why?

I don't know why you keep going on about Queer theory, this has nothing to do with that. This is about the normal diversity of adult sexual interests, tastes and kinks and avoiding going back to a world where women were slut shamed for their sexuality and considered a risk to children if their consensual sexual activities with other adults were outside of the mainstream

I dont know enough about queer theory, but in broad strokes it's trying to challenge heterosexuality being the default sexuality and normalizing kinks and other sexualities. Or exactly what you are doing by telling us x amount of people have kinks and fetishes.
As for going back to a world where women were slut shamed for their sexuality
Did we ever leave that world? Cos from what I see women are still slut shamed the world over every day.
Any reported rape will have many comments asking what she was doing there at that time, what was she wearing etc ad infinitum.