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A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

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Scraggythang · 23/11/2021 10:59

Via Glinner’s sub stack. Sorry if this has already been posted!

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/wtf-are-girlguiding-thinking

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HandsOffMyRights · 24/11/2021 08:09

@Whatwouldscullydo

I hate the Mail and I hate that I agree with it

We need to stop being like the tras and all " no debate" waiting for the right journo in the right paper, on a full moon at midnight burying a potato.

Read everything. Know everything. Or you end up as unprepared to get a point across or make a coherent argument as some of the tras do.

Mentioning the challenors was helpful. I wish it had mentioned the veritas report though. 80 pages declaring them incompetent and incapable of understanding safguarding , and formerly in a position to help SE set the policies GG were "trained" to put into place.

End of the day most of us work somewhere where we cabt even ve seen down the pub I our work uniforms and be careful what we post on face book. Gg cannot deny this individual was in breech of the social media policy even if they over look everything else.

I think the best we can hope for is a very quiet dismissal and a few " your all hompphobes/transphobes" like the nspcc and rubber fetish guy.

I emailed GG myself years ago pointing out the flaws and explaining how they are excluding girls with theor policies and they stood by theor decisions and told me they weren't going to respond to me any nore.

I have receipts.

Gg cannot claim.they didn't know

Agree with this.

The Mail was the only paper to run with the Jess Bradley story when the NUS hoped the story would be buried.

The Sun's excellent article on gender ideology being akin to anorexia in teenage girls also broke down more doors.

I don't care where that sunlight comes from, I just want journalists to keep digging.

Scraggythang · 24/11/2021 08:06

I’m sure it will be spun as an oversight. And I’m sure the individual in question will be feeling very sorry for themselves as an innocent member of the public trying to do good in their community. Everyone’s entitled to have a private life blah blah… without even considering let alone acknowledging that this is not acceptable and most parents would be horrified. And if they are they’re bigoted bloody bigots!

They’d be horrified regardless of identity.

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FindTheTruth · 24/11/2021 08:05

Hiring a BDSM gun nut is exactly the type of scenario Helen Watts, Safe Schools Alliance and Fair Play for Women have been warning GG about thanks to GG adopting gender ideology and it's inherent removal of safeguarding.

Related to who they hire, is the issue of what girls are being taught.

This from SSA
Girl Guiding and Asexuality
On the 28th October Girlguiding published posts on their social media celebrating ‘Ace Week’ in support of their ‘asexual volunteers and members’. Girlguiding specifically stated on Twitter and on Facebook that they wanted to “raise awareness and understanding of the asexual community”. The inevitable implication of this is that the organisation is encouraging leaders and volunteers to discuss asexuality with the children in order to fulfil the stated aim of ‘increasing understanding’. On the Girlguiding public Facebook page a number of leaders then shared their own sexuality.

full statement
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/2021/11/02/girl-guiding-and-asexuality/

Clymene · 24/11/2021 08:05

@MrsFionaCharming

Also, I hate to break it to those with daughters in Scouting, but the DM article about this person also showed photos of them in a Scout Leader uniform.
That's a GG leader uniform isn't it?
NitroNine · 24/11/2021 07:52

Girlguiding simply will not ever hear/accept anything that doesn’t fit with the narrative that goes alongside the decisions HQ have made [without consulting Members].

• Remove God from Promise: lose Volunteers.
• Ignore feedback on (& serious concerns about) new Programme: lose Volunteers.
• Decide to Get Ahead Of The Law: lose Members of all ages including by permanent withdrawal of the Membership of Volunteers who were “too loud” (shall we say) about their safeguarding concerns.

Apparently they also can’t see the cognitive dissonance inherent in media calls limited to a TINY proportion of Units because they want to reflect the diversity of our Membership Hmm

Girlguiding are perfectly capable of abusing their Code of Conduct to punish Volunteers for whatever reason; but this is an occasion where there have been such clear breaches the Volunteer in question should have been suspended immediately (which of course can’t be discussed - as in, by them, there’s no bar on general speculation, obviously, much as they might wish it). It would be nice if that were the reason for certain changes on the internet, but We Shall See.

People making complaints might wish to emphasise that The Internet Is Forever - the situation cannot be remedied by taking down the posts in question & undertaking to follow Girlguiding’s social media policy in future. Every Google search will be a new hit of reputational damage as that Mail article comes up (& almost certainly gets circulated).

If we hear of earthquakes in Kenya that will just be Baden-Powell spinning like a top at what’s going on.

WholeClassKeptIn · 24/11/2021 07:32

It will be seen as an "innocent" kistake of not keeping private life private/understanding issues with posting on SM. 🙄.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/11/2021 07:30

Have the Scouts commented / taken any action? Or do they reckon this is the type of role model that boys deserve? I noticed that someone quoted this person stating that they have 4 "live" DBS checks - which implies they work with children in 4 different settings? Maybe schools?

Lovelyricepudding · 24/11/2021 07:11

@Charley50

I don't think people should withdraw their daughters from GG. But don't let up about this. It's out in the open now, GG need to address their infiltration by this ideology. It's currently non-inclusive and not fit for purpose.
You are suggesting parents leave their daughter with an organisation that doesn't understand safeguarding and places them at risk?
rabbitwoman · 24/11/2021 07:06

I am reminded of when a certain NSPCC employee was found to be into rubber fetish gear and everyone rushed to defend him, saying it was fine to have these interests outside of their profession.

Yes, of course its okay to put pictures up on twitter of him in fetish gear. It's got nothing to do with his job at a children's charity. You are all just homophobic....

..... How did that work out, again?

RedCarpetRebellion · 24/11/2021 07:02

@Charley50

I don't think people should withdraw their daughters from GG. But don't let up about this. It's out in the open now, GG need to address their infiltration by this ideology. It's currently non-inclusive and not fit for purpose.
It comes from the top down. There’s TRA’s at the top, policies reflect that.

Girls are not safe in GG.

If GG were a new organisation with these policies NO ONE would ever sign up their girls. We need to ignore GG history, it doesn’t matter what organisations have done previously when assessing risk now. Girls are at risk if parents send them to GG.

Whatwouldscullydo · 24/11/2021 07:00

I hate the Mail and I hate that I agree with it

We need to stop being like the tras and all " no debate" waiting for the right journo in the right paper, on a full moon at midnight burying a potato.

Read everything. Know everything. Or you end up as unprepared to get a point across or make a coherent argument as some of the tras do.

Mentioning the challenors was helpful. I wish it had mentioned the veritas report though. 80 pages declaring them incompetent and incapable of understanding safguarding , and formerly in a position to help SE set the policies GG were "trained" to put into place.

End of the day most of us work somewhere where we cabt even ve seen down the pub I our work uniforms and be careful what we post on face book. Gg cannot deny this individual was in breech of the social media policy even if they over look everything else.

I think the best we can hope for is a very quiet dismissal and a few " your all hompphobes/transphobes" like the nspcc and rubber fetish guy.

I emailed GG myself years ago pointing out the flaws and explaining how they are excluding girls with theor policies and they stood by theor decisions and told me they weren't going to respond to me any nore.

I have receipts.

Gg cannot claim.they didn't know

Charley50 · 24/11/2021 06:53

I don't think people should withdraw their daughters from GG. But don't let up about this. It's out in the open now, GG need to address their infiltration by this ideology. It's currently non-inclusive and not fit for purpose.

WholeClassKeptIn · 24/11/2021 06:48

Well that's the whole point isnt it? If you literally truly believe transwomen are women then this is the result.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 24/11/2021 06:38

Girl guides is a women’s organisation.

FindTheTruth · 24/11/2021 06:27

Helen Watts on the shocking lapses in safeguarding within Girlguiding since they adopted the concept of 'gender identity'.

Girlguiding has been around since 1910 and always a single-sex organisation.Girlguiding has always been quite steadfast and said that no we are a single sex organisation we think that being in an all-female environment brings particular benefits to girls um and also having a female leadership as well gives the girls the chance to see sort of women in charge having female role models around. periodically there'll be something in the press like a boy who's said that he wants to join guides and yeah it's so unfair that he's not allowed and girlguiding have always said no we're not doing that we are going to stay single sex and they're entitled to. they use the single sex assumptions in the equality act to lawfully stay a single sex organisation.

this was changed without any discussion with girl guide leaders or or anyone involved in the girl guides
this was just someone sent a round robin email saying that we're doing this now we're admitting we're admitting boys and men if they identify as women

WholeClassKeptIn · 24/11/2021 06:21

MrsFiona I fear that destruction of gg is what they want. I loved the guiding movement as a space for girls and women to grow and develop. But I've taken my girls out too. It literally isn't a girl space anymore.

Bogeyes · 24/11/2021 06:19

Speechless

EsmeraldaFudge · 24/11/2021 06:09

I'm so glad I came across this thread this morning. DD was asking about joining the GG as she saw a group at the hall she goes to ballet in.
I can't believe what I've just read. No way would I now even entertain the suggestion of joining.
I'm actually speechless

Scraggythang · 24/11/2021 05:30

I hate the Mail, but a lot of people read it. Anyone shining a light on this is a good thing. Just relieved it’s been picked up and we’re not up against a wall of totally indifferent silence.

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Smokeahontas · 24/11/2021 00:29

Why am I unsurprised to hear a connection to Aimee Challenor?

MrsFionaCharming · 24/11/2021 00:24

Also, I hate to break it to those with daughters in Scouting, but the DM article about this person also showed photos of them in a Scout Leader uniform.

LittleWingSoul · 24/11/2021 00:23

@MrsFionaCharming

I'd be so gutted if I were directly involved with gg now, like yourself.

Pp have been saying vote with your feet, but gg is clearly so important to so many girls and women, this isn't necessarily a very helpful call to action.

MrsFionaCharming · 24/11/2021 00:17

ARRRRGHHHHH

Sorry, but that’s just how angry this whole thing makes me.

I’m a Guide Leader. I’ve been in Guiding for 25 years, and it’s been such an amazing influence and shaped me as a person.

Safeguarding comes before anything else in my eyes, and I hate the idea that parents would withdraw their girls from my unit because of stupid decisions being made by HQ (that I’m ignoring anyway).

Not to mention that each one of these stories that comes out, we’re going to lose more and more members until the entire organisation crumbles. And then future generations of girls will be denied all the opportunities I’ve had.

RedCarpetRebellion · 24/11/2021 00:12

[quote LittleWingSoul]**@RedCarpetRebellion* I am spending more and more time with stomping boots on and Brody blaring in my ears while I walk dogs though*

I've definitely been here too more and more, recently Smile My Do I Give A Fuck feminist teen self would be proud of this much, at least![/quote]
I have a bikini kill t shirt with girls to the front on it.

Frequently this on and Distillers playing.

My girls keep asking about both so I get to be ranty about women’s rights, but they listen because they were the ones who asked Wink

LittleWingSoul · 24/11/2021 00:08

@RedCarpetRebellion I am spending more and more time with stomping boots on and Brody blaring in my ears while I walk dogs though

I've definitely been here too more and more, recently Smile My Do I Give A Fuck feminist teen self would be proud of this much, at least!

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