A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

@RepentMotherfucker that’s correct.

They hold the information if you have a valid disclosure or have sent one off through them.

The issue is that they rely on volunteers to ask new volunteers to fill out the forms etc., and I’ve seen this not happen, and it not followed up. If a volunteer (eg commissioner) just fails to ask a new volunteer for a disclosure or reference, it seems that this isn’t necessarily identified and followed up, and their central system doesn’t flag this. I’m not entirely sure why the central system doesn’t flag it - it might be related to also relying on volunteers to correctly feed information in to this central system.

They put loads of responsibility on volunteers who may or may not have the skills/ training/ time/ inclination to actually fulfil all of those responsibilities.

Eurgh. I’d be withdrawing my child quick sharp. How utterly disgusting. A pp got it right about hiding in plain sight.
That article just got worse and worse. Why would they appoint such a person? It really does feel like we are being brainwashed as a society.

I'm FB friends with a fair chunk of them, and they would never pose on FB or any other SM like that with a gun in their living room, including the Americans. You might, tops, get a shot of someone with shogun broken over their arm posing with their dog at the end of a morning's wildfowling or whatever.

Most gun owners are very discreet about it. Broadcasting the fact that you own so much as an aged shotgun is just not done.

So yeah, this sort of behaviour is totally inappropriate.

I’m not talking about occasional visitors or parents on a parent rota for example - that’s different, and I think totally acceptable for them not to have had a disclosure done.

I raised this issue much further up the tree and been made to shut up and not tell parents, as I feel that I really should.

David challenor could work for them (albeit after 20 years imprisonment).

Surely, it's just a central database, with a tick next to 'have I seen their DBS certificate?'

Given that without one, any convicted paedophile could be working for the girl guides, surely it's bloody basic???

We recently had an email saying that all volunteers need a disclosure and certain level of safeguarding training - but it was “unsustainable” for volunteers to check up on this, and the implication was essentially please can people take responsibility for them self in that regard?!

I thought that anyone working (voluntarily or paid) with children regularly had to have a dbs check. An occasional visitor who's accompanied at all times might not have one.

Are you saying they you know of people regularly volunteering for the GG who haven't had a DBS done?

I can't be right that adults, including men, who can work with little children, aren't DBS checked by the organisation they're working for!!!

You can't possibly leave it up to them.

@CookieMumsters “it is becoming unmanageable and unsustainable for us...”

[quote CookieMumsters]@Eggybrains I think you've misunderstood that email - compliance with DBS checks and safeguarding training is a huge chunk of what counties and regions spend time on. I think that email meant 'don't make us ask you more than once' because its taking time up from what we want to be doing.[/quote]
@CookieMumsters given I know disclosures aren’t happening for some volunteers, I’m quite right to be concerned.

Did you get the same email? That’s not how I read it.

@Eggybrains I think you've misunderstood that email - compliance with DBS checks and safeguarding training is a huge chunk of what counties and regions spend time on. I think that email meant 'don't make us ask you more than once' because its taking time up from what we want to be doing.

[quote 54bonfield]This is what one man managed to do on school residential trips:
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jun/14/how-did-one-of-most-prolific-paedophiles-in-history-get-away-with-crimes[/quote]
This was a chilling read, thank you for sharing.

@Eggybrains
That is terrifying.
I ran Beavers starting in the early 90’s for 10 years or so. All volunteers/ leaders had to be dbs (or whatever it was called back then) checked. I was, at the time, a registered Nurse, working as a school Nurse, had a current dbs, I still had to be checked.
My son aged 21 at the time, had 3 dbs checks, as a scout leader, a football referee and as a climbing instructor.

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We recently had an email saying that all volunteers need a disclosure and certain level of safeguarding training - but it was “unsustainable” for volunteers to check up on this, and the implication was essentially please can people take responsibility for them self in that regard?!

This is what one man managed to do on school residential trips:
www.theguardian.com/society/2016/jun/14/how-did-one-of-most-prolific-paedophiles-in-history-get-away-with-crimes

I agree. But I feel the Girl Guide movement has been destroyed and would want my daughter to have no part in it until this has been sorted out. Why is this not in the press? I have also heard of guide leaders - including those identifying as female being able to provide girls with barrier contraception at camps. Absolutely sickening why in an all female environment require this???

Whether they should have checked Monica's social media or not, Monica has clearly breached their Code of Conduct (my bold):

As a Girlguiding volunteer you must always:
Be a good role model with behaviour and an attitude that are in line with our values and the Promisee*.
Comply with all applicable UK laws and guidance. If your unit is based outside the UK or you are part of an activity outside the UK, you must also abide by the law of that country.
Make sure you follow Girlguiding policies and procedures and re-read them regularly so you are informed of updates. If you have gaps in your understanding, talk to your local commissioner or adviser.
Deliver the Girlguiding programme to young members if you are a unit volunteer. When volunteering with adults in guiding, support them to meet the Girlguiding programme requirements, to play your part in giving a consistently great Girlguiding experience.
Be responsible and accountable in the way you perform your role.
Be fair and treat everyone with respect and dignity in accordance with our Equality and Diversity policy.
Respect privacy in line with our policies and guidance.
Communicate in an open and respectful way, whether in person, by phone, writing or digital media.
Work together with Girlguiding members, their parents or carers and members of the public to promote Girlguiding's mission and values.
As a Girlguiding volunteer you must not act fraudulently or dishonestly. Or do anything which brings, or is likely to bring, Girlguiding into disrepute or have a negative impact on Girlguiding or its reputation.

https://www.girlguiding.org.uk/making-guiding-happen/policies/code-of-conduct/

What is such a shame is there used to be a really effective way of significantly reducing harm in girl guiding that didn't involve needing to check up on peoples social media. Boy scouts of America have just reached a settlement re abuse and the only thing that comes up when googling girl scouts abuse was a case of a girl scout allegedly being abused by a woman leaders husband. There is a common denominator here and it isn't natal women. Of course I'm not saying that all trans women are potential abusers just like all men aren't either. I'm just saying that where there are men involved you have raised the safeguarding risk. I dont know why girl guiding would want to increase the risk. Who is it benefitting?

Putting aside all the matters this relates to for a second, posting a photo of yourself in a messy house with a gun in the UK, show a lack of awareness at best

I stand corrected too as not a GG uniform.

If we take the sex/gender discussion out. I just think this is an interesting to consider whether safer recruitment frameworks are sufficient for today's world. Probably for another thread.