A trans-Identified BDSM fan/gun nut is now a senior leader at Girlguiding

Looks like they are going for the Royal Academy approach to women protesting and trying to ignore the protests

That approach isn't going to work for them.

GG Nottinghamshire have reinstated the webpage listing district commissioners and Sulley is still on it

www.girlguidingnottinghamshire.org.uk/who-we-are/meet-the-team/

Looks like they are going for the Royal Academy approach to women protesting and trying to ignore the protests.

Just found this GG badge from 50 years ago

Oh yes my fault, I misread! This man in fact signed his support to the individual in a relationship with the man who wanted to have/fantasised about sexual relations with children. Still worrying to be honest.

@Kanaloa

The guns and bdsm are horrible - but they slipped in casually at the end that this man is in a relationship with another man who admits to sexual fantasies about children

What do you have to do for people to say ‘I don’t think you should be leading children?’

If there’s evidence that Monica has also said this then please post it.

But I think we should be careful and clear about what relates to each person. Pornographic social media pictures are a huge red flag. That’s enough of a reason for someone to he refused jobs with kids.

The guns and bdsm are horrible - but they slipped in casually at the end that this man is in a relationship with another man who admits to sexual fantasies about children

What do you have to do for people to say ‘I don’t think you should be leading children?’

On the DBS thing. I have worked in the education and charitable sector and I can tell you schools are much more stringent.

The thing is that it is really serious if a school fails the safeguarding bit of an ofsted report. Unless charities are CQC or Osted registered no external body comes in and checks.

If there is a safeguarding incident, the charity may need report it to the charity commission as a serious incident. But, I don't know if the charity commission has any real teeth. Also a few years ago, pre pandemic, there were massive delays in the charity commission responding to serious incident reports.

Youth work is a fairly unregulated sector.

I'm FB friends with a fair chunk of them, and they would never pose on FB or any other SM like that with a gun in their living room, including the Americans.

Same here in Canada. Where I live, responsible gun owners would not pose like that for photographs. This is a red flag.

I'm really shocked about the DBS. Being in thrall to an ideology is one thing, but this just looks like bog standard negligence.

@RepentMotherfucker I spoke to a few people who let them halls. They seemed concerned and spoke to Girlguiding locally. They did however tell me that they didn’t think it was fair or proportionate to ask to actually see the disclosures / references. They continue to let to them. I don’t know the conversation that went on, and I’m not sure I want to. I just tried to do all that I could to keep girls safe, knowing that they weren’t doing things properly. I really felt I couldn’t push things much further with the people who were letting them halls, because I think the people letting them the halls are good people but really felt they shouldn’t be taking on responsibility of checking up on them, because of all of the issues of liability, and I actually see their point.

Declarations usually ask you to declare if you have safeguarding policies in place. They have policies. They just don’t always follow them.

I’d be happy to speak to a journo if it meant parents were better informed so could make an informed decision about keeping their girls safe.

If you were told that @Eggybrains would you speak to a journalist anonymously? I think if there's a bigger safeguarding picture at GG it would be big news.

Short interview from March.

twitter.com/the_statemedia/status/1463777324923559939?s=21

There seems to be a lot of telling adult volunteers in the Guides to shut up isn't there? Especially in relation to safeguarding.

There's no point offering safeguarding training unless you actually monitor that staff understand it and implement it. There seems to be growing evidence that this isn't happening as it should.

Very worrying.

When I say they didn’t do anything, they told me to shut up and not tell the parents

Good to hear that you rate the safeguarding training capercaillie for the Brownies.

Thank you Eggybrains It had never really occurred to me that this organisation lacks external safeguarding scrutiny. However given the extent of the erosion of safeguarding it's beginning to look as if this is an organisation rather adrift from the principles of keeping children safe and it needs to be formally monitored and assessed.

Oops so shocked I need an edit button!

I'm properly shocked, I've worked and volunteered with children in mostly educational settings and have always had to have the crb/dbs completed and returned before any volunteering or work started.

I thought that was just basic nowadays. I actually thought it was illegal in this country to work with children in any kind or organised club without a dbs. I am properly shocked.

You need to contact a

I’m a Brownie Leader. The safeguarding training I’ve had, and have to repeat on a regular basis, is far better than many other organisations I’ve been involved with.

They have a policy that says you need a disclosure and references sent off for (but not received back) within I think 2 months of starting volunteering or 4th time volunteering, whichever comes first. However, this doesn’t always happen, and you’re just relying on a volunteer (eg a district commissioner), who may have a low understanding of why this important, or lack of sufficient training or whatever (I don’t know the cause but I know the result) to ensure this happens and identify if it doesn’t happen. In our unit of 5 volunteers, I’ve seen this system fail with 2 of them in the last year. And I know it’s failed with others within that 5 previously. Work that out as a percentage - I sincerely hope it’s not replicated across the country but I also can’t believe that this is an isolated incident. It appears to be a systems issue, which is presumably why Girlguiding won’t address it in a manner that results in proper checks being carried out. If it was a one off, fix it. Instead, send an email out saying that we can’t deal with all this disclosure and safeguarding training stuff so can you please all deal with it yourself?

Over in Ireland you cannot start helping with a Unit until you’ve your police check completed. As in, it is an offence to do so. (Check out the Irish Girl Guides policies & procedures - if you’re interested enough to look up the Catholic Guides of Ireland ones as well the bit about needing the Gardaí to check your record before you can start attending meetings will doubtless be there in giant letters too…)

If you live near the border in NI & you’ve an IGG Unit in a reasonable distance, not only is their Programme vastly better than Girlguiding’s is now, while they’re also all aboard the TWAW train, they do at least have some idea of safeguarding still, so it’s worth thinking of choosing IGG over Girlguiding. Or indeed CGI if you’re Catholic.

Oh, Girlguiding. “A safe girl only space.”

There's a massive safeguarding loophole being exposed here. A safeguarding problem in a school could result in an Ofsted inspection - a safeguarding problem uncovered during an Ofsted can result in a school "failing" their Ofsted. Safeguarding is considered an absolute priority.
Yet the Guides who take children away on residentials and are evidently terribly keen on talking to children about sex and sexuality, hand out contraceptives and have dismantled their safeguarding principles so that a man self identifying as a woman is allowed to share spaces where women and girls undress, shower and sleep have no external scrutiny? Is this correct?
How is safety and safeguarding of children in the guides assessed? Does anyone know?.