Pink News saying puberty blockers are “well studied, safe and completely reversible”?

I get so sick of TRAs using the word reversible… reversible how? A male who starts taking blockers at 13 isn’t going to magically grow an adult penis if he stops taking them at 20

All the talk avout puberty being traumatic too must be a self fulfilling prophecy. It sucks yes. There's not an adult alive without an embarrassing penis/period story. But the saving grace is you are all in it together.

Least you were until it gets blocked and all your friends developed around you and the realisation that, (should u be one of the 2 percent who stop them and don't go onto cross sex hormones), you are gonna be starting when everyone else is done amd You are on your own, sets In.

We should be equipping kids for puberty not enabling the fear and embarrassment

I get so sick of TRAs using the word reversible… reversible how? A male who starts taking blockers at 13 isn’t going to magically grow an adult penis if he stops taking them at 20.

Seeing doctors push treatments due mainly to ideological reasons doesn't seem like a good look.

I think this falls into a gap between endocrinology, plastic surgery and psychiatry, and few doctors have relevant expertise in all 3.

What’s unforgivable is the deliberate suppression of research for ideological reasons.

If we didn't, it would become really difficult to function.

I have wondered, in relation to the medical trans stuff in particular, how it would affect peoples' trust in terms of things like covid vaccinations. Not that I think it's likely huge now as many aren't that aware, but this is an area where they are specifically having issues with trust in the population.

Seeing doctors push treatments due mainly to ideological reasons doesn't seem like a good look.

They’re not particularly cheap, I paid £500 for a 3 month injection. So clearly they can see a new audience behind breast & prostrate cancer sufferers, and women with endo/adeno.

I'm no tin hatter, but if these drug companies can do it once they can do it again

I'm willing to be corrected but I also think there was one very heavily into gender ideology political party that had funding ir a donation from a pharmaceutical company who amongst other medications did make/supply puberty blockers.

It realky is a case of follow the money.

Many of those drugs were initially developed for end of life pan management which is great but not very cost effective. Much more financially rewarding to prescribe powerful and highly addictive pain killers to younger people who's injuries or conditions would otherwise be managed with much more expensive physical therapy, and there you have it a patient for life.

I'm no tin hatter, but if these drug companies can do it once they can do it again.

And drugs company sales, and reducing costs of expensive psychological or psychiatric support........

So who exactly are blockers supposed to be helping?

People who desire a pre-pubescent body.

It's been clear to many psychologists for some time that for the majority of children suffering from dysphoria that going through puberty is the cure for those feelings of discomfort. But even if you don't concede this point, there are two major problems with taking blockers that surely no-one can disagree with.

If a male child takes puberty blockers his penis will fail to grow and therefore if later in life he wants a 'neovagina' it will have to be created from his colon. This is not optimal for a number of reasons and even trans surgeons have said they don't recommend it.

If a female child takes blockers then her body will fail to grow, therefore she will be even less likely to pass as male.

So who exactly are blockers supposed to be helping?

Haven't read the whole thread, but I wonder if this is a case where the issue is so enormous that most people simply can't believe that this can be happening. We rely so much on HCPs to only prescribe drugs and offer treatments which are on balance a better option than doing nothing. Most of us are not well equipped to do our own research in these areas. It's staggering that the medical, nursing and psychology professions have just gone along with this. It's a huge failure of professional standards.

It really does beggar belief that there is all this evidence about the side effects of these drugs on every group for whom they've been prescribed, and yet parents and children have been talked into taking them for a psychological problem which earlier research indicates the vast majority of children/adolescents will grow out of as they come through puberty, especially if they have good support and therapy to come to terms with their changing body and any issues around their sexuality.

I accept that they might be useful in the case of people facing deadly cancers but apart from that they should be banned.

I checked out their use in prostate cancer and side effects listed there. Clearly stated 1% risk of dying from heart failure caused by the drug. (This high risk seems to be age-related as it is almost always elderly men who suffer from prostate cancer. But their risk of dying from prostate cancer is higher than that 1%, which means this is an acceptable risk to take.)

There's been plenty of reports of heart health issues in children who were prescribed GnRH analogues, so damage to the heart is a known side effect in all patient groups. I don't know what the prevalence is, the overall risk to the heart, but I do have a family member who was illegally puberty--blocked as a child in a sports academy in a communist country, without her parents knowledge or consent. Heart health issues are present in much of her cohort.

This claim that we will somehow, miraculously, discover that puberty blockers are safe to use when we have decades' worth of evidence that they are harmful to children, is puzzling to me. There's been a whole scandal about their use in children with stunted growth, IIRC there was a book or a documentary about that ages ago, there's a brewing class action suit with former child patients prescribed puberty blockers for precocious puberty that now runs into tens of thousands of women so badly damaged by the drug it has had life-limiting effects for them. There's currently (at anecdotal level) the same pattern emerging for children diagnosed with gender dysphoria who were prescribed GnRH analogues - with such serious bone density issues, there's spinal collapse, paralysis, with the accompanying effects of double incontinence. Increased suicidality. I mean these drugs carry prominent warnings now that they cause depression and suicidality in all age groups. (Screenshots attached)

Wilful ignorance is not a good look when we're discussing the health of children. Shouting bigot and transphobes when we're pointing out that puberty blockers do not give children a breather or put them into a better frame of mind is not a good look. When we're discussing the mental health of children it matters that the few studies done on this patient cohort shows mental health getting worse, not better. So the main stated aim of giving the drug to children diagnosed with gender dysphoria is demonstrably not achieved. And the results are the same whatever country the study is conducted in. That's strongly suggestive of a serious problem with the drugs, not the studies.

What I'm curious about is at what point do you concede that this is bad? One of the worst ideas doctors have ever had. A medical scandal of such gravity it will go into the history books.

At what point do you say maybe, just maybe we should look at the evidence of harm, concede this is a treatment causing more harm than good and stop?

I say unequivocally that the wellbeing of children should take precedence over ideological beliefs. And that's why I reject the use of puberty blockers in children on principle, regardless of why they are prescribed - precocious puberty, stunted growth, gender dysphoria.

And that includes any person who has tried to shame others for discussing these negative impacts for whatever agenda.

I'm still shocked that effects on adult men and women of these drugs are known and closely regulated but at the same time they're perfectly safe to use on growing children. How does that make sense?

They even stopped trying to chemically castrate sex offenders with these drugs.

So, children are subject to treatment / standards of care deemed unsuitable for even rapists and sex offenders.

You only have to watch one episode of I Am Jazz to see how harmful early medical intervention can be. What had been done to that poor young person is unforgivable and my heart goes out to anyone including adults who's life had been destroyed by these drugs.

Uppdrag granskning avslöjar: Flera barn har fått skador i transvården
Tranlates as ”Assignment review reveals: Several children have received injuries in trans care”
This is a headline today in Sweden on SVT.se related to an investigation showing possible issues with the treatment.

They told me this some months ago, so things may have changed but it seems doubtful.

The thing is, they’re not safe, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many restrictions around their prescription to adult women for gynae issues, including being banned for women under 24because they haven’t stopped growing yet

Even some surgeons who specialise in trans surgeries are coming out now and saying that they are a bad idea. On account of should the child continue on the path ( which 98 percent of children put on blockers do) the male children don't develope enough to perform the usual surgeries. With blockers it's basically over before it starts

I wouldn’t use Pink Propaganda to wipe my arse on after a particularly runny shit, never mind take medical advice from them.