Brits get rid of separate male & female awards

What does IANAL mean?

The only problem is who decides who the best person is? (Probably a panel of white men).

I hope the audience do a Jarvis Cocker and moon the sanctimonious organisers of the Brits en masse at the live show. They are taking recognition and sales away from women- as if Covid hasn’t punished the live music industry enough.

Interesting to see how this goes…

The reasons female awards and awards like the MOBOs were created was otherwise awards are dominated by white men. I feel this is a step backwards but happy to be proved wrong - if awards are given to the best person regardless there shouldn’t be any issue…

I heard this on BBC yesterday. They said Grammys was split 50/50 between male and female.

I havent looked at the stats so no idea if thats true - but if it is surely we have just halved the opportunities for recognition for everyone, all for the sake of Sam Smith wanting to decide his brain is neither male or female.

I am not being funny when I say that I am sure plenty of the female artists who dont think they have a female brain.

Was gobsmacked to see Dan Wooton doing a quick tot up of the previous winners to show what a stupid idea it is.

The first few years will be fine as they will be very careful to be sure they aren't criticised. Then it will slowly become all men (unless Adele releases an album every year).

Could see this coming a mile off thanks to Sam sodding Smith. Attention seeking tw…

I have emailed them from the address on their website informing them that sex is a protected characteristic under the law, sex discrimination is illegal. gender identity is not part of uk law except for those with a GRC whom are afforded the rights (some not all) to be treated as the opposite sex.

so they are discriminating against men and women with this new no sex categories and also discriminating against real transsexuals with a GRC whom wished to be referred to as the opposite sex so much they went thru 2 years or more of living as the opposite sex, maybe getting surgery and applying for a GRC.

so basically the Brits are discriminating against everyone mentioned in the Equality Act 2010 to pander to Stonewall? and Gender Identity/Self ID which is not a characteristic in law.

do please email them yourselves too the more voices the better.

It's been suggested before, for things like sports, refuges, prisons etc, where resources really are limited to two distinct categories, and obviously females need their own category for safety, fairness and dignity etc.

Keep women/female category.

Make the men's category more inclusive for non binary, gender non conforming, genderqueer folk. Educate men better to be more accepting and inclusive.

People like Sam Smith who don't identify as men but still need a category without destroying the women's category would fit neatly into the men's plus.

So we ditch the idea of women's and men's, we move to women's and men's plus. Or Menz+.

Wait, what? The patriarchy has been smashed? Awesome!

Thanks Sam Smith and Will Young for using your white male privilege to ensure women have equality before stomping your feet on us to show how speshul you are. It's great that women no longer need our own categories for anything to counter the male bias in these things. Hurrah.

Oscars Best Director category has been gender neutral since forever and women just keep winning! Oh, wait....

In a way I'm quite glad this has happened. If we see the majority of awards going to men it might be a good way to illustrate just how misogynist this gender ideology is.

It's a sex based category, Sam, not gender based. Poor Sam, so hard done by but somehow has enough clout to influence far reaching decisions

We used to have a phrase for that. The second word is 'privilege'.

Here's an up-to-date analysis on the Grammys,
annenberg.usc.edu/news/research-and-impact/annenberg-inclusion-initiatives-annual-report-popular-music-reveals-little

It goes into some detail to explain why women are underrepresented both in the music industry as a whole and in nominations. Unless there are dedicated categories for female musicians, this is just going to keep on happening.

Thank you for the link, I saw someone mention the Grammys and was searching for something about it.

A lot of issues in a lot of places could be solved by having a women's prize/race/game/place for women, and a 'freestyle' where men, NB people, people with sex differences, anyone could place.

Men would still win 99.9% of the freestyle events but it would be inclusive. And women wouldn't be invisible.

I was thinking about this method, I was wondering how it would go down with people.

This sounds like 'white privilege' from CRT. (white) Women are privileged and therefore their oppression isn't really oppression at all and if black women also object, then their privileged too.

They've just had some guy on GMB all for this, and India Willoughby (a trans woman) against.

And the nominees for 2027 best artist are:

• The Spice Cervix-havers
• Boyz II transwomen
• Backstreet Nonbinaries

So funny!

"The Brits Academy have been under pressure from musicians including Sam Smith, a former winner, who'd argued the current categories excluded non binary artists like him, those who identify as neither male nor female."

So has Sam retrospectively publicly renounced and dissociated themselves from their earlier award - as they presumably believe that they never had any right or entitlement to be given it in the first place?

Or is it yet another case of pulling up the 'principles' rope ladder behind you when you're safely at the top?

I almost wondered if Sam Smith was secretly gender critical and doing this to make a statement about how ridiculous it is that a person can use their white, male privilege to wipe out opportunities for large numbers of women.

MajesticWine www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/sep/16/gender-disparity-in-uk-radio-report-shows-minor-improvements-on-2020

It’s quite shocking how little airplay female artists get. It’s very imbalanced.