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Brits get rid of separate male & female awards

111 replies

Theeyeballsinthesky · 22/11/2021 17:06

From next year it will be an award for best artist.

Be interesting to see how the winners go…..

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Terfydactyl · 24/11/2021 13:52

@madisonbridges

Didn't he win something for his Bond song? Sorry, I don't know the film or the song.
They, not he.

And this very common misgendering someone is apparently literal violence or something.
I'm only pointing it out because even when you have the time to type it and think about it and change it before you post, we still get it wrong.

SunflowersInTheShade · 24/11/2021 12:57

So, if I get this right... they had to include Sam Smith in a category and to accommodate him/her/they they've dropped the female category altogether?

So to accommodate one person with a male body aka man they push all the women under the bus? Progressive... right... yeah

LemonSwan · 24/11/2021 12:46

All this male/female feeling crap is all based completely on outdated stereotypes.

Well I have to assume that it is, because how could a man possibly know how a woman thinks or feels. They cant so it has to be based on an assumption - which are the basis of stereotypes.

And whats interesting writing this is I also have no bloody idea whats going on in SSs head, so I am making assumptions and thus stereotyping theyz.

Why cant we all just be ourselves. Why the need for all this labelling and grouping; yet simultaneously not allowing women to label as a group.

Going through this sounds like a bad thought experiment which leaked from a philosophy class somewhere.

RedCarpetRebellion · 24/11/2021 12:37

@madisonbridges

Didn't he win something for his Bond song? Sorry, I don't know the film or the song.
He has a Bond song?

Damn that’s Bond trading down massively. Chris Cornell to Sam Smith…….

fournonblondes · 24/11/2021 09:01

I keep thinking that we are going right back to the past. Sad times!

Newnameneededxx · 24/11/2021 08:39

@LemonSwan

Theres no such thing anyway the male/female brain theory was debunked over a decade ago

YY obviously. The key word here is SS thinks he doesn't have a female or a male brain - because I am pretty sure as an out and proud gay man he certainly knows what a male body is.

So what else can he possibly be basing his non binary status on? Just having a wee touch of lady feelings from time to time. Not all the time, just sometimes when he's not having strong man feelings that day.

You know like when you have to rush to the salon for a recolour, but have to switch quickly to man mode in order to do a swift parallel park before quickly returning to lady mode to make the final decision on highlight colour. Its very stressful and I do sympathise.

Exactly….

All this male/female feeling crap is all based completely on outdated stereotypes.

Or is it just me?

LizzieSiddal · 24/11/2021 07:31

The Brits doesn’t get half as much publicity as they used to. This announcement ensures all eyes will be on it for the foreseeable.
However as a PP said, they will be tying themselves in knots in order not to look “unfair”, so we’ll have a year where a male wins and the next a female will win.

madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 07:14

Didn't he win something for his Bond song? Sorry, I don't know the film or the song.

OverByYer · 24/11/2021 07:06

I couldn’t name a single Sam Smith song, has Sam actually won any prizes?

Terfydactyl · 24/11/2021 06:33

@WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll

I hope the audience do a Jarvis Cocker and moon the sanctimonious organisers of the Brits en masse at the live show.

Or a shedload of MNers get tickets and then, when Sam Smith inevitably appears on stage, wave placards and sing a beautifully-harmonious, top-volume, 20-minute extended version of the chorus of 'I Won't Back Down' - you know, the Tom Petty classic that Sam 'paid unwitting tribute to' and ended up having to pay TP a load of the royalties from 'Stay With Me' for!

I am so there for this. Would be wonderful.
Mummyoflittledragon · 24/11/2021 03:39

[quote Snoozer11]Oh yeah, Sam Smith reached where they are by talent alone, and clearly isn't from a background of wealth and privilege...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1134509/City-banker-sacked-spending-company-time-sons-pop-dream.html[/quote]
Brought up as a privileged son of a millionaire 😱. Yes, Sam is most certainly pulling up the drawbridge. Sam cannot possible know what it is like in the real world.

It is disgusting that Sam has so much clout. And big ticket female singers see no issue.

madisonbridges · 24/11/2021 01:47

Hopefully it'll make the whole ceremony much shorter and decent programmes will be resumed quicker.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/11/2021 01:43

I hope the audience do a Jarvis Cocker and moon the sanctimonious organisers of the Brits en masse at the live show.

Or a shedload of MNers get tickets and then, when Sam Smith inevitably appears on stage, wave placards and sing a beautifully-harmonious, top-volume, 20-minute extended version of the chorus of 'I Won't Back Down' - you know, the Tom Petty classic that Sam 'paid unwitting tribute to' and ended up having to pay TP a load of the royalties from 'Stay With Me' for!

LemonSwan · 24/11/2021 00:34

Theres no such thing anyway the male/female brain theory was debunked over a decade ago

YY obviously. The key word here is SS thinks he doesn't have a female or a male brain - because I am pretty sure as an out and proud gay man he certainly knows what a male body is.

So what else can he possibly be basing his non binary status on? Just having a wee touch of lady feelings from time to time. Not all the time, just sometimes when he's not having strong man feelings that day.

You know like when you have to rush to the salon for a recolour, but have to switch quickly to man mode in order to do a swift parallel park before quickly returning to lady mode to make the final decision on highlight colour. Its very stressful and I do sympathise.

Snoozer11 · 23/11/2021 23:50

Oh yeah, Sam Smith reached where they are by talent alone, and clearly isn't from a background of wealth and privilege...

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1134509/City-banker-sacked-spending-company-time-sons-pop-dream.html

MrsTerryPratchett · 23/11/2021 20:04

[quote SinisterBumFacedCat]We still have the MOBO’s, for now

voting.mobo.com/categories/female-act[/quote]
And that's a great example of an excluded group having their own category and there also being a general category. Women's and freestyle. MOBO and freestyle.

They'd have to admit there's an issue first though.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 23/11/2021 19:57

We still have the MOBO’s, for now

voting.mobo.com/categories/female-act

teezletangler · 23/11/2021 18:35

I expect the changes to these particular categories will be uncontroversial and will result in a fairly even split. That's because there are a lot of big name female artists who hold their own at the top of the music industry; I'm sure Adele is very likely to win next year. (Boy, Sam Smith will be miffed when he realises that this just means fewer chances for Samself to win and he should have kept his mouth shut and stayed in the male category Grin).

I think the trouble is really in the other less prestigious categories, where we know women don't get the same representation.

I'm worried this change will actually make it look as if there are no problems with female representation in the music industry.

WarriorN · 23/11/2021 16:32

Just catching up; behind the scenes they'll have to decide a turn taking secret two categories thing going on.

They'll tie themselves in knots and people with real talent will loose out.

sashagabadon · 23/11/2021 15:08

@highame

Mariella Frostrup discussing on Times Radio. Has had Genaro Costaldi on - what a load of tripe. He says lumping everyone together will highlight the issues and then action can be taken!!!!! So, we have to wait 5 years for them to recognise, yet again that women do not get the same chances as men in the music industry. Apparently more discussions coming up including an LGBT spokesperson.
Lol! Yes his logic was so back to front. We need to scrap the sex categories do that when males dominate we can realise their is a problem in the industry and we can work to rectify that, Mariella missed a trick by not saying “ perhaps by having a separate female category?” Honestly it was such nonsense. And the implicit implication is that the female category is “lesser” and that females really secretly want to compete with the males. Ie. The male category is the better one to win ConfusedHmmAngry
highame · 23/11/2021 15:07

Sorry, LGB Alliance up soon

highame · 23/11/2021 14:56

Mariella Frostrup discussing on Times Radio. Has had Genaro Costaldi on - what a load of tripe. He says lumping everyone together will highlight the issues and then action can be taken!!!!! So, we have to wait 5 years for them to recognise, yet again that women do not get the same chances as men in the music industry. Apparently more discussions coming up including an LGBT spokesperson.

Melroses · 23/11/2021 14:35

@VelvetChairGirl

What does IANAL mean?
I Am Not A Lawyer.
Newnameneededxx · 23/11/2021 14:28

@Gncq

It's been suggested before, for things like sports, refuges, prisons etc, where resources really are limited to two distinct categories, and obviously females need their own category for safety, fairness and dignity etc.

Keep women/female category.

Make the men's category more inclusive for non binary, gender non conforming, genderqueer folk. Educate men better to be more accepting and inclusive.

People like Sam Smith who don't identify as men but still need a category without destroying the women's category would fit neatly into the men's plus.

So we ditch the idea of women's and men's, we move to women's and men's plus. Or Menz+.

I think this would be good.

Menz or Men+ has a certain ring to it!

PankhurstConnection · 23/11/2021 14:26

Marvellous. Well we all know what will happen don't we. Just a whole load of men winning awards.

Fucking brilliant.