#MarchWithMidwives and the erasure of 'mothers' and 'women'

I do find the Vigils difficult. I agree with so much of what they are asking in the manifesto, I am a MW and this are bloody difficult at the moment, things have been gradually eroding for years and now we're on the floor. The vigils and the media coverage are important. On balance, due to the severity of the crisis i feel it more important to support the vigils than to argue the language in this instance though I am firmly in the "women" not "birthing person" camp.

So you are counting how many people fail to complete your survey as part of your analysis?

@KimikosNightmare we are hoping to get a measure of people's true attitudes and investigating whether these variables are associated with each other, hopefully if people are truthful in their views we will obtain a realistic perspective on how these concepts are related.

With regards to the item in question, this is from a well-established scale that has been validated internationally. Apologies for throwing you off with it but I assure you we are not attempting to skew the data with the use of this scale.

[quote tiktok]@KimikosNightmare, it’s an example of bundling different concepts together, in a way that confuses any participant and which gives, unsurprisingly, poor data. First rule of survey making is don’t do it like this![/quote]
My deleted post made it clear it was impossible to get past that question.

But is it just poorly framed due to incompetence or deliberately framed to skew the data? My money is on the latter.

Just skimmed through the survey.

Bonkers set of questions formulated by people who have the 'result' already in mind.

No thanks.

@KimikosNightmare, it’s an example of bundling different concepts together, in a way that confuses any participant and which gives, unsurprisingly, poor data. First rule of survey making is don’t do it like this!

I don’t think it’s a spoof. I took a look to see if it was as bad as it sounded (it was....worse, in fact) and it looked genuine enough. All the trashy boxes ticked. They say they are researchers....I hope this is a freshers’ group’s very first go at doing a survey and it has yet to be overseen by a supervisor or tutor. That may be a crazy hope....

[quote tiktok]@KentPsychMB I’m reporting your post. Surgery like this need clearance by MN otherwise the boards get spammed.

Also, read the room. ‘Identify as women’......on this board?! Most of us here are women. Because we are of the female sex. We don’t ‘identify’ .....[/quote]
That doesn't bother me but I refuse to be pigeon holed as anti- abortion religious evangelical if I am anti- pornography.

That survey must be a spoof surely- it's ridiculous. And needs a spelling check.

Yup they can FO till the cows come home tw*/s

I have asked for my post to be deleted as it links to the survey.

I want these points in my post to stand.

Why are psychology researchers issuing surveys with such a loaded, biased and poorly worded question about "God's law on abortion and pornography requiring to be followed before it's too late" ?

Why are they conflating pornography and abortion?

Why do they assume if one has concerns about the proliferation of pornography one would oppose abortion?

Why do they assume concerns about pornography are based on religious views?

Really badly done.

Deleted now, thank goodness.

Ooh post removed - good. Go spam somewhere else with your poorly-designed survey 😀

That survey - complete madness!

I see your post has not been removed yet. The questions are awful, conflating sex with gender and bundling different concepts up together. Some of them are meaningless. For example, we are asked how much we agree or disagree with ‘most policies relating to gender and the sexual division of labour [sic] serve the greater good.’

That is truly bad. If you need me to explain why it’s bad, incomprehensible, confusing and likely to give you no good data at all, then you really should not be permitted to use the internet at all for your survey.

*survey not surgery....doh. Reported, anyway.

@KentPsychMB I’m reporting your post. Surgery like this need clearance by MN otherwise the boards get spammed.

Also, read the room. ‘Identify as women’......on this board?! Most of us here are women. Because we are of the female sex. We don’t ‘identify’ .....

I see that they're pleased to be supported by men who rent women's wombs

Great to see a mention of the With-Woman blog. There’s also a Twitter.

With-woman focuses on the harms of gender neutral language in the maternity services.

There are a few very good articles which highlight the drawbacks of removing sexed words when talking about motherhood, women's health and why ‘and birthing people as ‘additive language’ is no great answer, either.

March for Midwives is a brilliant and needed cause, undermined by them forgetting that ‘women’ and ‘mothers’ are already inclusive words.

Www.With-woman.org

@WeAreWithWoman