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I don't want to put words into ClareCAIS's mouth, but I don't think she was insinuating anything. I took it to mean that they are to all intents and purposes and as far as anyone knows, female at birth. Why wouldn't they expect themselves to have a normal internal anatomy and uterus like all other females?
I know I keep banging on about this but let me give you the reason why. I have an almost 16 year old daughter who failed to menstruate until very late (in todays terms and given that I started myself at 11). I was very worried about her because she is painfully shy and there is no way on earth she would allow me to take her to the doctors for tests or examinations. I did a little reading on the subject and came across various DSDs that had lack of menstruation as a symptom. It led me down a path to wondering what I would do if it turned out that she was a carrier of such a condition. I questioned how I would help her, how I would feel myself.
Would I suddenly consider myself the Mother of a Son and not a Daughter? Would I change her name? Would I change her pronouns? Would I suddenly ban her from using female spaces? How would I help her come to terms with the devastating impact on her fertility and future hopes?

The answer to all of these questions was a resounding NO. She would still be female in every regard, she would still be my daughter. She would be my daughter with a medical condition that we would learn how to deal with.

And it is this I see every time someone comments that these people should be lumped in with the men identifying as women.
These people never "identified" as anything, they didn't make a decision at some point that they were not a certain sex, they don't try to deny biology. They don't try to infringe on the rights of women.
It's a totally different situation.

As I said upthread, there are some Youtubers (since this thread is about them) that I have totally lost a lot of respect for. Among them are Vanessa Vokey who is being very vocal and very inflammatory in the comments section of one of the videos in support of Slightly Twisted Female and Exulansic. I regret that we appear to be disappearing down the DSD rabbit hole instead of focusing on the real issues.

Let's not forget the absolute RARITY of this condition.
Let's not forget our humanity - these are real people facing a traumatic diagnosis.

They're not males with a feeling in their heads.

I think most people can understand that it is obviously life changing event if someone finds out they have a dsd when they into their teens. Their very sense of self and expectations must alter. I don't understand how anyone would think it isn't better for those affected (and family) to discover that as early as possible. Such a view is not out of interest for the affected individual.

Can I ask you how you view that individual/advocate who did the original interview claiming they had CAIS - would you be shocked if they were falsely claiming that? Or would someone doing an interview if they were fraudulently posing as someone with CAIS be acceptable to you? Since the whole TT exulansic thing seemed to stem from comments made about that individuals airing on youtube (and this thread is about TT's youtube).

I don't know if they were stating a falsehood, but some people have made this allegation based on what they say are previous claims from the very individual involved.

It's also because as it's being used by trans activists, "intersex" appears to be turning into an umbrella term and also into an identity. They appear to favour using "intersex" over the more accurate "DSD", presumably because the former suggests that there are individuals who can exist in a state which it part-way between male and female.

Much of what has been achieved by trans activists has been built on turning terms which have been well-known and used for, literally, ages, into vague concepts that people can opt into as they please. Remember, the Gender Recognition Act was enacted to benefit about 5000 people and there are now supposed to be around 100 times that number of transgender people in the UK.

How can they possibly think that? Surely it hasn't escaped their notice that the majority of males who identify as trangender in middle age do so after fathering children.

Because TRAs have been very deliberately blurring the distinction and touting sex as a spectrum for years now. Yes, it's nonsense, but it's superficially compelling nonsense.

I've actually unfollowed several well known Youtubers who I previously had a fair bit of respect for.

The comments from some of them in "Slightly Twisted Females" two videos are astounding. There is just no nuance for them over this subject.

I have a whole new appreciation for what DSD sufferers must go through.

Here in Canada the majority of nice liberal people still think that trans people have some sort of dsd. And that idea is still very much alive in political leadership.

How can they possibly think that? Surely it hasn't escaped their notice that the majority of males who identify as trangender in middle age do so after fathering children.

And do they really believe that all the teenage girls who suddenly decide that they're boys have a DSD?

And what about Stephonknee Wolscht? Is being trans age part of the DSD?

Groups representing those people have asked, yes. WOmen's groups have asked, again and again. But it keeps being brought up and many people in the general public believe it. Here in Canada the majority of nice liberal people still think that trans people have some sort of dsd. And that idea is still very much alive in political leadership.

Women campaigners have no useful voice on this with those who have been given this misinformation. In the eyes of those people, these are TERFs and liars who are stuck in the dark ages not understanding biology. Nothing they say is seen as anything other than a political statement.

It's going to be up to others to make it clear that these two things should not be conflated.

I agree Bitter.
There is NO WAY ON EARTH that people with DSDs should be lumped in with males who identify (whatever the hell that means) as females.

It's so far from that, its unreal.

The problem we have is, lets be clear, natal males trying to access female spaces and diminishing our rights, dignity and privacy because of no more than a feeling in their head.

I'm not sure in what world a person who has been socialised as, brought up as, has to all intents and purposes a female body, is to be included in the male estate.

It would be unthinkably cruel to expect them, as some of these Youtubers suggest, to suddenly turn over their lives and identity because they see it as a black and white issue.

Its ridiculous. And clearly why DSDs are a total red herring in this whole debate.

Let's continue to know who the real problem is created by.

There has been some absolutely vile behaviour going on about this subject, and to Claire directly. I’ve been totally shocked by it.

It appears that some women are voluntarily going down a rabbit-hole which DSD orgs have asked to be left out of any discussions about gender identity. But now they appear to be following the same path. It’s inexplicable and very distressing

ClaireCAIS - I'm very sorry if the link to the video I posted upset you, that was absolutely not my intention. I just wanted to show how the "debate" has really kicked off from that initial Exulansic video.

As I said in my post above, none of their opinions on this very specific subject reflect my own, although I do agree with a lot of what they say on other issues.
I absolutely believe DSDs are NOTHING to do with the "gender" debate and should be kept firmly out of it.
I would treat anyone with this DSD as I would treat my own daughter had she been been diagnosed with it as a teen. I don't believe anyone here who is a Mother would raise their girl for 15 years and then suddenly see her as a male just because they know her genetic code is not what they thought.

Again, apologies.

I hope that the GC side continually tries to be as compassionate as possible.

But I do think that ultimately Exulansic and Cluniac are fighting for women's rights, they don't want to be having to refute TRA drivel re: people with DSDs, and in a debate like this there is a place for people who talk straight and try to get to the truth. There has to be a place for honest debate that doesn't seek to make no-one uncomfortable. If their sins are being blunt then I forgive them. If they are being unnecessarily blunt, and especially if their take on the science is lacking in nuance and compassion, then I will find it easier to sympathize with your assertion.

I think I'm going to try to re-watch a couple of vids now I know more.

I'm not following the argument in that video at all. With the majority of these cases no one would know.