TT Exulansic Youtube

Extreme hatred! Such a use of that term is really hyperbolic. On that note, it could be viewed as extremely hateful to baselessly accuse someone else of extreme hatred, when you actually disagree with them or think they are wrong.

I don't know enough about DSDs to give a definitive opinion on what should happen

This is the problem. You don't. And yet you are expressing extreme hatred in a few posts up.

There's loads of other details but I'm loosing the will.

It's starting to sound like it's really boiling down to trutrans v hard line GC and dsds are actually the sticking point in these hard line "GC" people's eyes. Genspect have been open about speaking to and involving trans people who do seem to be happy with transition plus have spoken to and perhaps at one point worked with people like Blanchard due to their work on agp.

Which we all talk about and Helen Joyce does at length in her book and interviewed him.

I don't know a huge amount else about them if I'm honest. I've found the podcasts excellent and wide ranging but not listened to them all. I remember seeing something blow up on twitter a while ago after one of the episodes.

Blanchard et al are sexologists so seem to have somehow got involved with a bizarre website for P. Which I can completely see is concerning.

But it's also become a nasty scrap and online witch hunt due to Ex being flung off YouTube and it does seem like that was a different reason.

XX females only, and even then if they clearly are very man-like but are XX keep them out too.

Wtf? So butch lesbians in male prisons then?

1. Some bloke with a beard interviewed Dalea, who presents as female, and said she has CAIS, which is a DSD. She gave lots of facts about it.
2. Turns out some of the facts were wrong.
3. Exulansic did one of her characteristic videos pulling her apart. She said people with CAIS are male, which caused a lot of upset to people with that diagnosis. Bloke with beard was very unhappy that brave Dalea was attacked for sharing her story.
4. A chap called Intersextruther posted a video criticising Exulansic, including an unflattering cartoon and a specially commissioned rap song. He included a bunch of people in the credits, who may or may not have been involved, who knows.
5. Exulansic hit total meltdown, accusing the cartoonist of being antisemitic and attacking some of the people in the credits.
6. Exulansic got banned from youtube. Intersextruther gloated. Unclear if he was involved in her being banned.
7. Mutual mudslinging.
8. Exulansic did an expose of Dalea, saying she doesn't have CAIS and was brought up as a man. No idea what's true there.
9. General distress in the DSD community.

NotMyGenderGoblin - "derailing a thread about her to go off on a DSD tangent that is irrelevant to this sub-forum"

Who made you the Thread Monitor who gets to decide what is or is not relevant?

The thread started in November 2021 and moved on from the original discussion to discussion of the fact Exulansic's Channel had been taken down, to general dismay and anger - did you object then?

There is no inconsistency in it moving on again: to discussing the possible motives and actors behind the channel being taken down, one possibility being related to her content on CAIS, and the attacks launched against Exulansic by "Internet Truther" - did you object then?

The discussion has moved seamlessly to Exulansic's more recent content on CAIS and other VSDs, with several members criticising her analysis and deploring her conduct - suddenly you call for "No Debate!" STFU women!

Where have we heard that before?

Recognise what you have become. Exulansic was a TRA and she has been honest that she used TRA tactics in the past. She has returned to her old ways and her GC fan base is following suit.

If you can't see it, the rest of us can.

I do not condone the bizarre attack on Exulansic by the man who calls himself "Intersex Truther" and I do not think anyone here would.

Neither do I condone Exulansic's misogynistic, utterly misguided attacks on Claire Graham, who she refers to in one video description as:

"Claire Graham describes herself as a woman with MRKH syndrome, which occurs when a female fetus does not develop a uterus and often has other structural problems outside the genital system."

How anyone could find this acceptable is beyond me.

First, the opening, "describes herself as a woman with MRKH syndrome". Rather than "is a woman with MRKH syndrome". What are we supposed to infer from this? That Claire is lying?

The rest is misogynistic TRA-talk on steroids! It goes well beyond describing women in general as "menstruators". She describes a specific, named woman in terms of her medical condition, reproductive organs and genitals.

Or is that OK because Claire is a woman with a VSD so "not really one of us" and therefore it cannot be misogyny? She has got XX chromosomes and a female phenotype - I thought that was supposed to be the Gold Standard?

If it is not misogyny then the alternative is intersexphobia.

Some PP are complaining, "Why are you criticising Exulansic? TRAs say horrible things too, why are you not criticising them?"

Um . . . because this thread is about Exulansic.

Are you new to Mumsnet? Were you under the impression that this is a place where GC women applaud or ignore TRAs who say horrible things?

The longer Exulansic continues to escalate, targeting, dehumanising and demonising people with VSDs and making defamatory statements about named individuals, the longer you can expect her to be called out here - so you can stop wasting your breath telling us to STFU.

Can anyone point me to a basic rundown of what this bun fight is about? I had been watching Exulansic before she was banned. I didn't watch a lot of the CAIS videos though, mostly because I am too thick to understand the heavy detail. I just want to be able to understand the controversy so I can decide what to think about it for myself.

Vitriolic

@Cailleach1

Karen asked Genspect - a charity that is supposed to help kids with gender dysphoria - a very legitimate question about 2 of their associates, Blanchard and Bailey, being also listed as supporters of the Virtuous Ps. Virtuous Ps is a group of pedophiles who apparently only think about abusing children, but don't act on it.

Claire Graham is listed on Genspect's website as one of their "team". She has done several interviews together with Stella O'Malley on behalf of Genspect.

Karen put the question about Bailey and BLanchard's affiliation to Claire on Gettr. I don't know whether Claire inserted herself into an existing conversation Karen was having with other Genspect people, or whether Karen asked her direct from the off.

Karen asked Claire about the connection that has been created between Genspect and VP through B&B's dual affiliations. She also asked Claire what her position is on puberty blockers/ bottom surgeries (although described in a more direct way, which we are not allowed to say on MN). I believe this is because Genspect does advocate for bottom surgeries in certain cases of GD. I don't think these questions had anything to do with DSD or Claire being a DSD advocate. They were about Genspect to a team member of Genspect. I also don't think these are questions that are unreasonable. People on these pages have asked similar questions of various organisations having questionable connections, e.g., the NSPCC when they employed a fetishist, GGUK consulting with A Challenor, the Greens and Lib Dems with Challenor.

Claire's reply: to ask Karen what she's hiding and why she is obsessed with grown men raping teenage girls. Why is this the only thing you think about, Karen?

See what I mean. Straight out of the TRA DARVO/deflection handbook. And for someone who was professing on Boyce the other day that she doesn't like drama, a good way of creating one rather than answering a question.

And so it continued. Karen asking , the same question about the affiliation. Claire repeatedly haranguing Karen about being a pedophile. Karen did ask Claire about appropriateness of some of the stuff on the DSD Teens website. More of the same very nasty stuff from Claire about Karen being a pedophile. And some nice dog whistle stuff against a black woman (who is a teacher) being dumb and unable to read. It's all there in her last 3 videos.

I used to admire Claire Graham, but now I don't know what to think, but a good person? Not on that evidence.

*She shouldn't have been kicked off YouTube when she was, especially, given no one else who repeated her claims has been since.

That should say.

Ex brought this to the table and so the detail is hers. Many of us disagree with ^^ her points on this.

She shouldn't have been kicked off YouTube when she was, esp, given no one else has since repeated her claims, insights after being trans.

Claire in particular was speaking a lot about GC causes and speaking out about TRAs when Ex was a TRA several years ago. She was chucked off twitter for it.

Goblin

That's a crass analogy and it doesn't work.

People with dsds aren't obliged to do anything.

Let's remember exactly who appropriated and fetishised dsd lives.

I watched the start of something by Karen which was vitriolic to Claire which looked at that website.

Dsdfamilies. Karen has then gone on to hound Claire on video about Genspect and it's now apparently severed links to Blanchard and Bailey.

Maybe I'm wrong about that, though. Maybe those people aren't as supporters on a site called Virtuous p's (or such a red flag site doesn't exist). That may be just an allegation.

Was the reference to what @LilithOfEden said?

I obviously won't go into the substantive issue. However I cannot quite believe that a site called 'Virtuous P**philes' actually openly exists. I would rather not google that term! Or, that any of those referred to as the 'Team' on a website which deals with children would not recognise the whiff of such a thing.

Any organisation/charity dealing with children really needs to be so careful in how it manages itself and carries out it work. And transparency in how it carries out it's work. A lot of the historical sex abuse scandal which have been revealed in Ireland were carried out by abusers who placed themselves in positions where they would have access to children. Voluntary and by joining religious orders. People who were greatly admired and respected by the society of the time. Nobody should be beyond questioning or criticism in the aim to protect children, and prevent sexualising or grooming them. I do hope there is no equivocation about this issue in the stance of any organisation/charity which deals with children.

Why isn’t it as simple as women are females with XX chromosomes and the very, very few people who have particular DSDs where their Y chromosome is not actually male determining as they cannot react to testosterone (so not caster Semenya et al who have DSDs where they do process testosterone and hence are men, even if that doesn’t happen until puberty). As a committed gender critical feminist I’m happy with that. They look and have been brought up as girls/women, haven’t benefited from testosterone mediated puberty so what difference will it make? They don’t induce the ridiculous cognitive dissonance of seeing a man with a man’s body claiming to be a woman as they are functionally the same as XX women.

Generally they were actually, but after reading the disgusting pile on Clare Graham has received in the now three videos Ex has done on her rather than the fact she's operating within understood medical care structures for dsd and is only an employee of the charity I wouldn't be surprised if they disassociated themselves.

I watched those three videos yesterday and found them appalling. They very much undermine the weight I give to Exulansic's core content on gender reassignment. Some of it is so clearly bonkers as well as deeply, deeply unpleasant.

I said at a few pages back that, whilst I had concerns about some of Exulansic's content and tone, I hadn't seen anything remotely close to hate speech or which merited a youtube ban. The newest content has changed my mind, frankly.

I have no idea where the threshold for a ban on youtube is so can't assess whether she's objectively over it or not. I do think it's unfortunate when any feminist voice is shut down by aggressive males, as appears to have happened here. But, in light of the newest content, she's no longer someone I want to engage with in any way. Those three videos crossed a line for me.