TT Exulansic Youtube

I would tell exactly that to a girl with CAIS, that Exulansic is not an expert on this subject. That she has followed this line of thinking due to men co-opting DSDs to justify the idea that transitioning from a man to a woman is possible.

I think you'll find plenty of people online still peddling that nonsense.

It is so far beyond cruel & has put care for people born with DSD back years

I can see you disagree with her analysis and I think I mostly agree with you regarding CAIS.

I'm not sure that she is influencing care of people with DSDs though. She's just one person giving her views on the internet.

I think the attack on TT commenced ostensibly for questioning the individual who gave the interview on youtube. The individual who said they had CAIS, but allegedly wrote a book under a previous name where they admitted they were raised as a boy, and then allegedly became a woman at 17. They also allegedly previously said they had PAIS, not CAIS. I believe it was her critical analysis (and exposure) of that person which people used to attack her. Now I think many a person has been waiting for a chance to take her out. She is an acerbically perspicacious. And says it as she honestly sees it, maybe without much care or attention to how it is received. But that is dangerous to any ideology which does not want to be examined or analysed. Hence the flurry of those who used the chance they had to try to silence her.

I don't think that TT was wrong on the technicality of it all. I think even Carole Hooven conceded that females can theoretically 'suffer' from the dsd but it has no impact as it doesn't affect the development of the female reproductive system. There are separate issues, of course. It does have wider implications for women and girls if men without any disorder are claiming they have a dsd. Women and girls matter too! Their safety and fairness. It wasn't TT who co-opted the disorder and brought it into this the same arena as this ideology. She reacted to a video given about this issue and which she perceived as dodgy. Her spidey senses may be proved right. I don't know why the ire is not directed at the people who are going around saying they have a dsd when they don't!

I was thinking about this and what would be my reaction if I had a child who suffered from a dsd. I think I would want to know as early as possible for their sake. It would be awful to just go along until they were at puberty and then have them find out they won't develop as anticipated as they don't have a female reproductive system. That would be more of a blow. And ultimately more cruel, I think.

That is incredibly harsh of her, Clare - I'm quite shocked, TBH.

I think that she has a right to bring up anti-semitism if she sees anti-semitic tropes in the criticism of her. I also think that "witch hunts" against women like her who dare to be different are easy to compare to literal witch hunts.

The CAIS stuff is totally over my head, but from what I've seen her position might be right and might be a flawed but honest attempt at the truth. I don't see it as in any way ban-worthy, but I might be missing something.

Thanks again for replying.

Can you explain what rabbithole she has gone down and why it is unfortunate? Is it unfortunate because it is what lead to channel deletion?

Not very well, because I'm not involved, and only dip in and out of her content. But from my perspective she's moved from stuff about healthcare/surgeries for trans people, where she clearly knew her stuff, to making quite sweeping diagnosis on the basis of very little evidence or apparent professional expertise. And some of her latest stuff - where she's portaying herself I think as the victim of antisemitism and possibly prejudice related in 17th century witchcraft (it's really really not clear to me) - is just plain odd.

It's been alledged upthread that she was banned from twitter due to her CAIS content. I'm not goign to comment further on that because I haven't seen it, and because there's clearly deeply held views on all sides. I don't think an uninformed voice adding to that is helpful.

She appears to have been vindicated about that person being suspect, though. They allegedly started living 'as a woman' at 17. Whatever that means, in any sense.

The discussion over that person started the brouhaha, I think. However, they may not be kosher. I really think TT was arguing the point; and I believe was correct on the substantive point. The technicality, so to speak.

Some genuine discussion, but many sensed they could use the topic as a cover for attack.

[quote Motorina]@beastlyslumber me too. That and the ones that focused on phalloplasty. I really feel like she's gone down an unfortunate rabbithole of late.[/quote]
Can you explain what rabbithole she has gone down and why it is unfortunate? Is it unfortunate because it is what lead to channel deletion?

I like her videos (though many are too distressing to watch in full) but I missed why she was removed from youtube (other than social media companies bend over backwards to support TIMs but care nothing for women).

Her phalloplasty files were hard to watch but very illuminating. I had no idea what was involved & how horrific the whole procedure was for the patient. God knows why anyone would put themselves through that.
Isn’t it ironic that it appears that less men are opting for vaginoplasty but so many young women are putting themselves through phalloplasty, with worse outcomes.

@beastlyslumber me too. That and the ones that focused on phalloplasty. I really feel like she's gone down an unfortunate rabbithole of late.

Thanks @motorina. I read back through the thread and think I've found her. I only ever followed the Jazz videos, am completely at sea with the rest of the discussion, but hope that she continues with those.

@beastlyslumber I posted the link to her new site, and my post has come up hidden. But if you google odysee and exulansic you'll find her.

Just seen that her channel has been deleted. Wtf. I hope she finds another platform. Does anyone know if she's anywhere else?

Does SW not use the I? Here in Canada I always see it.

I've wondered why there hasn't been a stronger demand by DSD groups to have them stop using it, because it seems kind of shitty for them to set themselves up as speaking for or referring to people that have nothing to do with them.

Allegedly the person who gave a recent interview (in the US) about how they were CAIS, had written a book under a previous name in 2008 claiming they suffered from PAIS; and was actually raised as a boy.

As such, surely they knew they weren't female and were never going to have a female reproductive system? That is if they ever even had PAIS.

I think there's a trans Tory mp who now claims this. Or did on the website a while back. Had had a marriage and kids.

There's a lot of self diagnose people who wander around calling themselves "intersex" because it makes them feel more affirmed.

And in the UK, groups should not be using the I - although continue to do this on the advice of a very likely ‘intersex-faker’ - however, even Stonewall dropped the I after being asked to do this by DSD/intersex groups

I am horrified at the number of people who self-diagnose and promote themselves as intersex with no thought at all as to what this does to the public understanding of this area, far less the needs of the people at the heart of it, and what this self-id might mean for research funding or rigour.

There most certainly was Eresh.