Labour member suspended for saying only women go through menopause

The li k I can see is a picture of a document headed "draft charge."

(Spelling mistake there)

Not "decision" or "ruling."

There are some daft people about but I would hope there are enough sensible ones to throw it out.

Labour is a lost cause. Kier is such a disappointment.

I hope The Times picks this up. They have been doing sterling work in this topic.

I utterly do not want to be a one issue voter - I just don't but I would like the Labour party to give me the choice - Throw me a bone.

Traditionally, many moral questions including gay rights and the age of consent as well as abortion and capital punishment have been issues of free vote in Parliament. Some Labour MPs (a small minority) even voted against same-sex marriage, and while at least one faced a deselection attempt by constituents, they did not receive any reprimand from the Labour Party or have their Labour membership revoked, because it was a free vote.

Still less would any ordinary Labour member (not an MP) had their membership suspended for expressing their views. Back then, having and expressing opinions was considered perfectly normal in a political party.

Furthermore, what would Clement Attlee, Ernie Bevin or Harold Wilson have made of all this? They would have had to be suspended too. Even if you explained to them all about modern gender ideology, there is no reason to think they would have believed a word of it. And remember, the Labour Party in its heyday had a million individual members and millions more affiliated members, but the notion that you would have gone around suspending people for having views contrary to liberal dogma (or in this case successor-ideology dogma) would have been considered laughable. That is the behaviour of a sect, not a democratic party.

@foxgoosefinch

I honestly cannot see why they don’t change course, Gaspode. They must either have people polling for them telling them it’s disastrous and they’re ignoring it; or (I suspect) they’re not even asking the right questions. From his cervix bollocks I suspect that Starmer has been captured on this, but it’s utterly, utterly disastrous as a party policy, and any leader with any skill at all would be trying to reverse course as fast as possible. Talk about echo chambers

I think they are in it for the identity of being the righteous, right side of history opposition. They get to maintain their identity as the ideological puritans, who told you so about the evil Tories, without ever having to get their hands dirty and carry the responsibility of making real decisions that have real effects on the country. They don’t have to become ‘that Labour government that failed at xy&z’ and be laughed at for all of history.

They care more for their identity as the moral opposition that they do about making any practical difference, and it insulates them from ever having to face the humiliation of making the wrong choice and the legislative evidence that would always remind them of said mistake.

Labour never learn. They lost the 2019 election by only listening to those loudest on social media and not everyday people. Twitter polls showed Labour majorities, and everyone patted each other on the back. Labour were surprised by the Conservative landslide victory - how could that have happened when they’d been tweeting relentlessly into the void?

Now more people offline know about this issue and more people speak out about it online. And what do Labour do? They suspend a loyal member with aims of censorship. They absolutely deserve this to explode in their faces.

Local members need to get out into the community and actually listen to people, not argue with them and tell them they’re wrong.

Thank you to your very brave, principled husband. You are both very brave. I hope you don’t get to much abuse from his colleagues.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse - Ah lovely & all best wishes to you both. I suspect beforehand your husband would not have known how much him speaking out means so much to many.

I hope he will think that whatever his personal disappointment - there are so many people who are grateful to him

Every bit of sunlight cast on this nonsense alerts a few more people. It all helps. Xx

Exactly this. I'm sorry you and your husband have suffered because of this poisonous, destructive ideology. Thank you for being open about it. Wishing you both a good weekend.

Interestingly, in our case, it was the ones in the local party who did bugger all real work that shafted my family member, who poured the last years of her life into trying to fix paediatric services, while they messed around wearing woke slogans on t-shirts.

I feel these are the times that call on us to stand up and be counted, to have courage. Your husband has done that, and I have profound admiration for him.

This is a war none of us asked for.

Every bit of sunlight cast on this nonsense alerts a few more people. It all helps. Xx

Gil would like to say thank you to everyone for their support. He's a bit overwhelmed about how much attention this has had, and feels a little bad for having hijacked the original twitter thread that had some very moving stories about losing friendships because of the insanity of gender ideology.

And, personally, I'd like to thank the witches of Mumsnet and Spartacus, because that opened my eyes, and started many a heated discussion over the kitchen table and ended with Gil reading Helen Joyce's book before me. Every chink of sunlight and all that! And to my IRL friend that told me about this thread and Gil being properly famous on MN.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse to him You have a keeper there I reckon

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

Please thank your husband, and you too.

This insane ideology is incredibly damaging to women. Fortunately, we are now beginning to speak about it more openly. And it's fairly apparent that hardly anyone agrees with it.

He's so done the right thing, good for him. This doesn't affect men as much as women, so they're often a little slower to get it. If he wants to see how bad it's getting, tell him to take a look at what the IOC have come up with in terms of women's sport.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4405254-transgender-athletes-should-not-have-to-lower-testosterone-to-compete-ioc-says-as-it-changes-guidelines

Labour is finished. Absolutely finished. We have one of the worst governments in history and even at the end of a horrendous fortnight for the Tories Labour is only edging ahead in the polls.

I know. It used to break my heart that Labour was so unpopular. Now I have to hope Labour never comes to power until it drops its plans for self-ID.

Does anybody remember the part in Blackadder where Baldrick is trying to reassemble Dr Johnson's dictionary and states emphatically that the definition of the word 'Dog' is 'not a cat' ?

Chilling to know that the modern Labour party is now run along the exact same principles of 'commitment to fact' as the most OTT buffoon character in an already gloriously absurd historical COMEDY programme - depending on which arbitrary way the wind happens to be blowing on a particular day.

I hadn't read the full thread. Thank you to your husband, MrsHouse. I am sorry for what has happened to him.

he became very vocal in his support of Rosie.

Ah.

I find the continuing decline of the opposition frightening.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/male-menopause/

I’m sure this is not what is being referred to, but just wanted to mention ‘male menopause’. Not impressed with the NHS using it as a title for a condition and then saying that it is unhelpfully referred to as that in the media. Well, hell what would they suggest? Is andropause correct?

I'm so sorry that they've done this. I'm still trying to figure out whether there is a prospect of changing things by staying and voting for GC voices in internal elections or whether it's too far gone and I ought to quit.

The absence of an alternative party to vote for is probably what is causing me not to jump at the moment.

Plenty of members feel as you both do. Thank him for standing up for his values and exposing this.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse another woman here wanting to thank your husband. What he did matters

But what’s happened to the Labour Party genuinely breaks my heart, and it’ll see the Tories in power for decades to come