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Labour member suspended for saying only women go through menopause

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poshme · 18/11/2021 16:44

Not sure if it's anywhere else, but according Guido Fawkes, a Labour member has been suspended for saying on Facebook that only women go through the menopause.

order-order.com/2021/11/18/labour-in-hot-flush-after-member-suspended-for-saying-only-women-experience-the-menopause/

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Helleofabore · 22/11/2021 10:57

Although it is a different party, this caught my eye as being relevant to this thread. And for your husband TheMenopausalmrsHouse.

twitter.com/libvoice4women/status/1462575843910238208?s=21

Manderleyagain · 21/11/2021 16:31

Mrs House, I saw on twitter that someone suggested he do a subject access request. That should reveal what was said by email etc on the decision to suspend, and then the decision to unsuspend. It might be that he doesn't want to completely annoy and fall out with the branch, but I hope he gives it some thought because I'm sure it would be really interesting. And we all need (in all our different parties and orgsisations) to reach a point where people stop trying to just make opinions that are inconvenient to them disappear, by ostracising and forcing out. This can go nowhere good and really has to stop.

merrymouse · 21/11/2021 09:15

Labour has not won an election since 2005 and it is not surprising if they carry on doing this.

I think they are doing this because they haven’t won an election since 2005, and therefore haven’t been concerned with drawing up legislation for more than a decade.

I don’t think the Conservatives stepped back from the brink because they are concerned about women, I think they looked at the implications of the proposed legislation and didn’t want to be responsible.

Labour are living in an alternative reality where this is all about American legislation on access to ‘bathrooms’ and nobody has to think about prisons.

chilling19 · 20/11/2021 18:49

[quote TheMenopausalMrsHouse]@Needmoresleep absolutely this is what would have happened.

At the moment he says he is angrier about the second letter than the first, he is disappointed that they think they can act like nothing has happened, and torn about what to do next. We think that his vocal support for Rosie from within the party made him a marked man.[/quote]
Sounds like the locals got carried away.well done to hubby for standing his ground.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/11/2021 17:38

And my apologies to toddlers for comparing them to labour party activists.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/11/2021 17:37

It's so typical that instead of issuing a gracious apology:
"Sorry - this shouldn't have happened, someone got carried away, we've spoken to them. We apologise for the offence caused" All those things we teach children about how to correct a wrong.
Yet all this shower can manage is "admin error" - just so that they don't have to do the decent thing and actually say sorry. Toddlers should not be running any part of the labour party.

MagpiePi · 20/11/2021 17:13

@HerewardTheWoke

At work last month there was a message on the front page of our intranet about Menopause Day - without any mention whatsoever of the words 'woman' or 'female'.

Apparently 51% of the population are affected by it, but who exactly is a complete mystery!

I joke but I was genuinely upset to see an example of this in real life for the first time. How dare my employer treat 'woman' and 'female' as dirty words.

According to my employer menopause does affect everybody and so obviously we can't have the focus on women, because 'aww, poor men, not being centred'

Didn't you realise that being a man and working alongside or living with a woman going through menopause is pretty much the same as going through it yourself?

Hmm Grin

worthyofsupport · 20/11/2021 16:37

As far as I can see it was Liz Truss who announced it had been dropped in September 2020 so just before Johnson's 80 seat majority in December 2020 - he had taken over as PM in July 2019. So Mrs May was effectively out of the picture.

RedCarpetRebellion · 20/11/2021 15:42

And a second sneeze pressed send.

RedCarpetRebellion · 20/11/2021 15:41

They sneezed and their fingers typed out their inner-essence-thoughts?

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2021 15:26

@MrsOvertonsWindow

An "admin error" Grin

Presumably we can now look forward to Starmer's instructions to women not to talk about our cervixes, Lammy's directions to the nation on cervix growing for men and Nandy's enthusiasm for the rights of rapists and sex offenders to be housed in prisons alongside women to to be redefined as "admin errors" ???

This could be their collective reverse ferret moment.

Biggest admin error in the herstory of womankind.

'Transwomen are women? That was a typo!'

ScribblingPixie · 20/11/2021 15:25

@Xenia

Labour has not won an election since 2005 and it is not surprising if they carry on doing this. the fact NQ then ordered the decision reversed to avoid bad publicity which might affect the 50% of the UK who are female is still not good enough. It should not have happened in the first place.

I know I was probably Mrs May's only UK supporter at the time of her premiership but she DID stop the then Tory plans to amend the gender change laws and a few other good things.

I thought it was Theresa May who was keen to pursue self ID?
KittenKong · 20/11/2021 14:59

Have they actually explained what the ‘admin error’ is because surely that would mean getting someone’s name wrong or an incorrect date... not complete arse about face.

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 20/11/2021 12:15

@MrsOvertonsWindow

An "admin error" Grin

Presumably we can now look forward to Starmer's instructions to women not to talk about our cervixes, Lammy's directions to the nation on cervix growing for men and Nandy's enthusiasm for the rights of rapists and sex offenders to be housed in prisons alongside women to to be redefined as "admin errors" ???

This could be their collective reverse ferret moment.

Too little too late....
dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 20/11/2021 12:14

@Xenia

Labour has not won an election since 2005 and it is not surprising if they carry on doing this. the fact NQ then ordered the decision reversed to avoid bad publicity which might affect the 50% of the UK who are female is still not good enough. It should not have happened in the first place.

I know I was probably Mrs May's only UK supporter at the time of her premiership but she DID stop the then Tory plans to amend the gender change laws and a few other good things.

Did she? Do you have any quotes. I would love to know who it was in the Tory Party who realised what was really at stake. I thought it was all going ahead and Johnson stopped it (sure he knows what a biological woman is). I was disappointed that Theresa May didn't stop it, I would have not expected her to have any truck with gender identity ideology. I am truly shocked by Stonewall's incursion into all aspects of our lives and the threat to democracy it poses.
MrsOvertonsWindow · 20/11/2021 11:47

An "admin error" Grin

Presumably we can now look forward to Starmer's instructions to women not to talk about our cervixes, Lammy's directions to the nation on cervix growing for men and Nandy's enthusiasm for the rights of rapists and sex offenders to be housed in prisons alongside women to to be redefined as "admin errors" ???

This could be their collective reverse ferret moment.

Xenia · 20/11/2021 11:26

Labour has not won an election since 2005 and it is not surprising if they carry on doing this. the fact NQ then ordered the decision reversed to avoid bad publicity which might affect the 50% of the UK who are female is still not good enough. It should not have happened in the first place.

I know I was probably Mrs May's only UK supporter at the time of her premiership but she DID stop the then Tory plans to amend the gender change laws and a few other good things.

TheMenopausalMrsHouse · 20/11/2021 11:20

@Needmoresleep absolutely this is what would have happened.

At the moment he says he is angrier about the second letter than the first, he is disappointed that they think they can act like nothing has happened, and torn about what to do next. We think that his vocal support for Rosie from within the party made him a marked man.

Needmoresleep · 20/11/2021 11:09

Sounds as if a journalist phoned Labour Party HQ for a quote and the message went down to the local branch telling them to reverse their decision.

Mrs House, what does your husband intend to do? It is clearly very toxic, yet he now has the advantage that he is in a good position to speak out from within in support of Rosie Duffield.

TheMenopausalMrsHouse · 20/11/2021 10:57

@eurochick I think that's a pretty apt analogy for a party being led by an army of keyboard warriors.

@Shedmistress I wish that was true but there was no mention of the charges in the letter just that the case was reviewed and it's not being taken further, a let's pretend the whole thing never happened vibe. I don't think we can read that as accepting biological fact, just an attempt to brush the whole episode under the carpet.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/11/2021 10:43

"Give labour activists access to keyboards and they will eventually churn out accusations of transphobia entirely by accident?"

With predictive text, the probability might be quite high!

ChristinaXYZ · 20/11/2021 10:29

@eurochick

How can a letter like that be an administrative error? How did it get typed and sent by accident? Is this a version of the theory that if you give a roomful of monkeys typewriters they will eventually produce the works of Shakespeare? Give labour activists access to keyboards and they will eventually churn out accusations of transphobia entirely by accident?
"Give labour activists access to keyboards and they will eventually churn out accusations of transphobia entirely by accident?"

I am going to laughing about that for days!

Childrenofthestones · 20/11/2021 09:07

@foxgoosefinch

Aaaand pop goes any chance of me rejoining as a member or even voting Labour.

Keir Starmer has been an utter, utter disappointment on this (not the only area where he’s a disappointment tbh); and despite never having in my life voted for any other party for 25 years I can’t bring myself to vote for them again. Specifically over this issue. Never thought I’d see the day, but hey, it not the only bit of the world that’s gone mad.

When they eventually walk away from this madness it will only be because it has cost them too many voters and not because they have come to their senses. That's why I will never vote Labour again after a life time of voting for them. Well that and the fact it was under a Labour Prime minister and home secretary that the police were told to ignore the rape of thousands of girls by grooming gangs as the children were making an informed choice. www.change.org/p/the-british-council-inquiry-gordon-brown-jackie-smith-mp-permitting-sexual-abuse
RedCarpetRebellion · 20/11/2021 09:04

@Shedmistress

At least this means they concede that it is only women that go through the menopause.

Admin error. Aye.

@TheMenopausalMrsHouse

Another thanks to your husband.

Is he planning on challenging how it could have been an ‘administration error’?

If so-and no judgement if not- can he insist they clarify @Shedmistress point? In writing maybe?

Shedmistress · 20/11/2021 08:52

At least this means they concede that it is only women that go through the menopause.

Admin error. Aye.