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nauticant · 19/11/2021 17:25

It depends how it's done. One thing I'm even more convinced of is the value of humour in countering authoritarianism.

KittenKong · 19/11/2021 17:25

What am I missing? There are no such things as wickety witches - so any woman (or man, because there certainly were male witches executed too) who was put to the fire was burned to death.

PigeonLittle · 19/11/2021 17:02

@EgoSumFeminaNaturalis

I don't find the image of a woman being burned to death amusing.

Think the idea is she is a witch so isn't burning.

EgoSumFeminaNaturalis · 19/11/2021 16:57

I don't find the image of a woman being burned to death amusing.

yourhairiswinterfire · 19/11/2021 16:49

Perhaps E was talking about a witch being burned on a pyre of cigarettes? Although that would be terribly unhealthy.

You've reminded me of this sassy witch!

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 19/11/2021 16:48

@nauticant

Perhaps HoardingSamphireSaurus you might want to word your next order very carefully because according to some comments the supplier could misunderstand and deliver a gang of homosexuals to your house.

I have made myself a PostIt! note to that effect 🙂

Hebetude · 19/11/2021 16:42

@Keke94LND

Faggot has absolutely been used as an insult here lol, it was used all the time when I was at school, it obviously means cigarette too but words can mean more than one thing and language naturally evolves all the time

It also has meanings that were actually relevant to the content of the tweet.

KittenKong · 19/11/2021 16:42

I’ve heard of fagging at school... you fagged for the big boys...

nauticant · 19/11/2021 16:40

"Faggot" means cigarette? Perhaps E was talking about a witch being burned on a pyre of cigarettes? Although that would be terribly unhealthy.

ExceptionalAssurance · 19/11/2021 16:38

@Cailleach1

My mother used to use the word faggot. As in, 'you little faggot'. Kind of like 'you cheeky pup' meaning, but more affectionate. She was a native Irish speaker (as in Gaeilge -akin Gaelic, not hiberno English). English learned at school. My parents were not young when they had me, so maybe archaic usages were involved.

I used to hear it in my childhood used by old Irish people but as an insult, like lazy or generally shit. Not for a while though.

Keke94LND · 19/11/2021 16:36

Faggot has absolutely been used as an insult here lol, it was used all the time when I was at school, it obviously means cigarette too but words can mean more than one thing and language naturally evolves all the time

Cailleach1 · 19/11/2021 16:35

My mother used to use the word faggot. As in, 'you little faggot'. Kind of like 'you cheeky pup' meaning, but more affectionate. She was a native Irish speaker (as in Gaeilge -akin Gaelic, not hiberno English). English learned at school. My parents were not young when they had me, so maybe archaic usages were involved.

FindTheTruth · 19/11/2021 16:35

final tweets were:

The Adrian Harrop Tribunal
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Chair: the tribunal now needs to go and make a decision privately. At that point we need to distill that I to a document and that takes time. We'll then go to a process with a committee and how we arrived at that. The earliest day is midday on Wednesday.
It's likely that day will move and if you'll be so kind to provide contacts if we think it's Thurs or Fri we will inform you.
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PenguindreamsofDraco · 19/11/2021 16:34

Come on, no-one even Haddock actually thought the tweeter was suggesting she would be burned at the stake on a mound of burning homosexuals, did they now.

Garriet · 19/11/2021 16:30

@BaronessWrongCrowdRex

In the UK, faggot Isn’t an insult nor slur. It is never been used in that way. To me a faggot is a bundle of sticks or a large meatball type thing that either comes in a sauce from Mr Brains or you get in a butcher wrapped in the stomach membrane of a sheep/cow pig.

Oh it definitely has been used in that way. I’ve had to crack down on kids I’ve heard using it, and the first association my brain makes with the word is the slur.

In the context of the tweet it’s referring to the bundles of sticks and not as an insult. Still, I think I’d have baulked at using it myself even in that context.

PigeonLittle · 19/11/2021 16:29

@TurquoiseBaubles

So that's it? No more evidence? AH's lawyer has been allowed to say loads of (in my view) incrimination and insulting things about various witnesses and they don't get to answer or explain or put their point of view across?

It's all a bit dissatisfactory.

This, entirely.

I would feel so let down by the GMC in her shoes, in fact I do already.

FlyingOink · 19/11/2021 16:28

One doesn't have to like creeping US cultural hegemony to understand that it exists.
Particularly if one is deeply involved in debate around genderism and queer theory, imported also from the US and with many major contributors being American.

I also think it shouldn't actually matter as E is not the subject of this hearing

And also this.

nauticant · 19/11/2021 16:28

Perhaps HoardingSamphireSaurus you might want to word your next order very carefully because according to some comments the supplier could misunderstand and deliver a gang of homosexuals to your house.

ExceptionalAssurance · 19/11/2021 16:26

@TurquoiseBaubles

So that's it? No more evidence? AH's lawyer has been allowed to say loads of (in my view) incrimination and insulting things about various witnesses and they don't get to answer or explain or put their point of view across?

It's all a bit dissatisfactory.

Very much so!

ExceptionalAssurance · 19/11/2021 16:26

@Fariha31

Even I know faggot is an old word for a bundle of firewood, as well as midlands meetballs.

We are British people who live in Britain. Faggot has never been an inslult here, at any time for anyone.

I do think there is currently an obsession with American culture, note the use of the word 'Feds', which is just cringy really.

Your second paragraph and third are saying different things. There certainly is significant creeping Americanisation, to the extent that British people who have been more exposed to it will have more awareness of the American usage. Generally in British and Irish English there are multiple meanings of the word fag and faggot.

I'm exceedingly anti Harrop, FWIW, check my previous posts, but the poster who said the Clapham omnibus test is a bit more complicated in this instance than some of you are allowing for here was correct. One doesn't have to like creeping US cultural hegemony to understand that it exists. I also think it shouldn't actually matter as E is not the subject of this hearing.

HoardingSamphireSaurus · 19/11/2021 16:22

As one who buys faggots for burning and eating on a regular basis I am only peripherally aware of its homophobic use.

I know it is but round here, southwest, anyone shouting for faggots would be fed or supplied with firewood.

Tanith · 19/11/2021 16:18

@Nasturs

I think Harrop is a twat, and am as gender critical as the next person - but I think that 'a faggot is a bunch of sticks, or a meat pattie' comes across as a little disingenuous. Yes, it is those things, and it is also a slur used against gay people, and in the context it was used I think the person on the Clapham omnibus would raise an eyebrow at the faux innocence expressed here.

I don't live in Clapham.

If I say that I would be far more likely to use a word in a different way than you, that is what I mean.

Nothing disingenuous about that. I'd guess that many people in the UK would see the word in the same context as me.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 19/11/2021 16:17

Oh, I get it, "faggot" is not an common offensive term in Glasgow, but is in America.

Whereas "cunt" is a term of endearment in Glasgow, and widely applicable.

Thanks, I understand now.

TurquoiseBaubles · 19/11/2021 16:15

So that's it? No more evidence? AH's lawyer has been allowed to say loads of (in my view) incrimination and insulting things about various witnesses and they don't get to answer or explain or put their point of view across?

It's all a bit dissatisfactory.

Artichokeleaves · 19/11/2021 16:14

@FlyingOink

BaronessWrongCrowdRex maybe, but if you shouted it at a gay man he'd know what you meant.

It might be American as a slur, but let's not pretend we aren't influenced by the Americans or that we don't consume tons of American media.

It's not like she used a Nepalese word is it. I don't know if she had any malicious intent, I'm just saying it's irrelevant if she did, because his provocation defence is a load of shit.

I think most gay men, hearing some twit shout that at them, would roll their eyes, think you were a twit and carry on with their day. As opposed to intimidate, harass etc. You can't really argue that someone's making you argue with them on twitter; you have to turn up and join in for them to successfully have that argument.

And it still boils down to it doesn't matter why he did it, or who, or what they said, the fact stands that in his open name and role as a GP and as pointed out using his public platform and respect as a GP he shouldn't have been doing it all.