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Therapist asking if I'm a man, woman or gender neutral.

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aweegc · 18/11/2021 08:24

I got a feedback form from my therapist (clinical psychologist) yesterday. It's about how I feel things are going and how I feel I've had things explained to me or been treated. All fine. I've had it before but this time the last question (it's not obligatory to complete the form but if you do then you can't skip question) the last one was "Are you a man / woman /gender neutral? The very last page had a text box for extra comments. I used it and went to town. My therapist doesn't write these forms, but I was really pissed off.

The thing is, I'm having long term trauma therapy and the majority of those traumas are due specifically to me being - not identifying as - female. Of course, I know all the politics around all this, I've seen this question on forms (or similar) a hundred times, I've had rape threats because of my biological understandings etc, but to have this question in a therapeutic setting has completely thrown me. Especially when male violence is about to become a big part of our work.

I'm not even sure where I'm going with this post. I am trying to get out of a relationship that was 13 years of gaslighting. That feeling when you're being gaslighted and you're not sure what's going on, you're sure you're right but you no longer know where up is, who you trust etc is back.

If she believes that a man who identifies as a woman because he at least in part finds it sexually thrilling to be victimised by men IS a woman, then where do my experiences of being sexually victimised because I am a woman fit in? I feel that that man and I are definitely not the same, but I've just been categorised as the same in her eyes.

I actually ticked gender neutral and wrote - amongst other things - that I'm not that either but as I was forced to give an inaccurate answer, that was the one I chose.

If anybody can untangle my thoughts here I'd be most grateful. I'll be talking to her about the form next session anyway but I feel so "gaslighting confused" that I am not even sure I can explain why I feel gaslighted/gaslit. And it's extremely strange because I'm normally very, very clear about all aspects of this.

I'm also really fucking pissed off that because of a tiny minority of people - amongst whom the adult majority are men - my sex-based experiences and existence is undermined by no longer being sex-based.

Maybe I should have identified as "anything but biologically female" earlier in life, because then I'd not have been raped or sexually assaulted so much?

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TwinklyBranch · 18/11/2021 10:18

As PP said, it is a standard form. Just skip the question if it bothers you that much.

aweegc · 18/11/2021 10:16

Thank you (almost) everybody. I didn't think anybody would answer. I can't even talk about this this morning without crying. It's helpful to be understood. And ideas of how to tackle this with the therapist (on top of what I wrote on the form) are welcome.

It has to be tackled because it is deeply undermining the whole relationship.

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Puggled · 18/11/2021 09:58

So sorry you're having to deal with this, OP. I've had a similar form following on from my recent cancer treatment.
This form asks about which "best describes you?" Male/female/non-binary/self describe..., and "is your gender identity the same as the sex you were registered at birth?" Yes/No/Prefer not to say.
At least it says "registered" and not "assigned", but I don't have a "gender identify" so can't answer that. At least I have a paper form, so I can leave that and fill in the "Any other comments" section.

All the many forms I filled in during treatment only ever had Male/Female options.

334bu · 18/11/2021 09:55

This is a standard form and a standard question. Seriously some people look for offence in everything. Just fill out the question as it states from the 3 answers. I don't know anyone who would be unable to answer.

Well according to a speaker on Politics Live anyone who says 'they know what a man or a woman is", is s liar. So how can you be sure everybody does know how to answer this question?

Flowers OP

Beowulfa · 18/11/2021 09:47

@Mouseonmychair

This is a standard form and a standard question. Seriously some people look for offence in everything. Just fill out the question as it states from the 3 answers. I don't know anyone who would be unable to answer.
I would be unable to answer as I have no idea what they mean by "gender neutral".
Whatwouldscullydo · 18/11/2021 09:43

Oh op Flowers

Its just so wrong isn't it that the people meant to help or protect you are complicit in furthering the abuse you suffered in the lead up to you even being there. Gaslighting is abusive.

Whitefire · 18/11/2021 09:40

@Mouseonmychair

This is a standard form and a standard question. Seriously some people look for offence in everything. Just fill out the question as it states from the 3 answers. I don't know anyone who would be unable to answer.
Did you actually read what the OP wrote?

OP I hear you. Flowers

Mouseonmychair · 18/11/2021 09:12

This is a standard form and a standard question. Seriously some people look for offence in everything. Just fill out the question as it states from the 3 answers. I don't know anyone who would be unable to answer.

MultiStorey · 18/11/2021 08:56

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Babdoc · 18/11/2021 08:44

OP, I am sorry that you are having to deal with this nonsense at all, let alone in the context of therapy for sex based violence.
I think you should tell the therapist exactly how this form makes you feel.
Tell her that sex is binary and physical, that "gender" does not exist outside of made up stereotypes, that you were unable to identify out of being a rape victim, and the whole gender ideology is gaslighting on a massive scale. That you feel let down and angry that the very person who should be helping you seems to have passively signed up with your oppressors.
Any decent therapist will welcome the chance to discuss your feelings about it.
May I say that I think it's a good sign that you are angry - you are recognising abuse and asserting your boundaries, which is very healthy. My best wishes for your continuing therapy and recovery.

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