Sex Matters: ban on 'conversion therapy' bill isn't what people think!

Just copying this quote across from another thread

Without first getting proper definitions in place, defining what we even mean by conversion therapy in the modern context, we could be walking into a nightmare where we are actually removing valuable treatment options for those people who do not wish to medicalise dysphoria.

I am one of those people. I have dysphoria and I reject medicalising my condition. I am able to maintain good mental health through talking therapy and I find transition to be a conversion in&of itself. I would ask you not to limit the options of young people with this condition.

Quoted from Lauren, who’s is Ceri Black’s partner twitter.com/LaurenGNC_Butch/status/1466855519918993416

I've read the consultation document, and it will make it illegal for parents to talk to their own children. You can be imprisoned for up to 5 years I think.

Incase anyone’s not aware of what this is about and what we’re up against:
pitt.substack.com/p/a-trans-estrangement?justPublished=true

And if you think it couldn’t happen here - look at the bill, look at the court ruling that puberty blockers may be prescribed for under 16s without parental consent, in the UK. Ask your kids in secondary school about the culture in school.

Find out. Take the red pill, before it’s too late. Please.

Another bump.

It’s really important that as many people as possible look into this!!

Bumping this. I've just been perusing the Stonewall Twitter account and it's full of praise for this Bill.

Please don't regret not filling this in.

Write to your MP as well if possible. As a reminder, info here:

sex-matters.org/take-action/conversion-therapy-consultation/

and

sex-matters.org/take-action/write-to-your-mp-press-pause-on-legislation-on-conversion-therapy/

I'm so terrified for our children if this bill passes. And for their teachers, parents and therapists. It really is critical as many people as possible complete this.

Sex Matters Response

twitter.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1467174364500140037

and

"Sex Matters response to the Banning Conversion Therapy Consultation"

sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/12/Sex-Matters-conversion-therapy-response.docx-1.pdf

See also:

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1467177235027304451

Important note from
@/SexMattersOrg

It's not obvious from gov's online form but the Q on your views on conversion therapy is not listed as one of the consultation questions on the policy proposal.

www.gov.uk/government/consultations/banning-conversion-therapy/annex-a-consultation-questions

See screenshot

This is an excellent response!

twitter.com/Jebadoo2/status/1466844415847239684

Gay Men UK Consultation Response 031221.pdf

(unfortunately the link from twitter isn't great. confusingly it takes you to 'WeTransfer' but if you click 'download' it should open)

I noticed an article in the Economist also, but not a subscriber so only got to see first short bit which suggested bill being pushed through in time for big trans conference in London next summer?

Thread with link to todays piece by Janet Turner

Janice Turner on Conversion Therapy Ban www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4417704-Janice-Turner-on-Conversion-Therapy-Ban

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-10273719/Transwoman-DEBBIE-HAYTON-gives-view-new-Government-bill.html

😲😲😲absolutely outrageous that you and others have been logged as supporters. it's almost like a bizarre reflection of the bill itself pretending to be the opposite of what it is.

if only your MP could talk to @eleanorwish MP

I have had a reply from my MP, and it looks like he has read the briefing paper. He said he is very concerned about the type of conversion therapy outlined in the paper, and that he shares my views on gender identity and trans matters

Is anyone still under the impression that the current government doesn't support self ID?

The LGB Alliance response is excellent

Sorry - should clarify that I’m focussed on the trans-capturing of our kids and ROGD, and ‘normalisation’ of the medicalisation and surgery to very young people.

She's also on twitter. There needs to be a Twitter storm about it

Baroness Nicholson?
childrenandwomenfirst.org/

We need bullet-proof safeguarding of under 18s in this bill.

@zafferana Yes - exactly this. And consultation limited to just 6 weeks - ending December 10th.

Therapists and psychologists already feel hampered to affirm and not be able to look for co-morbidities, due to pressure, let alone making it potentially illegal, ffs!!

Have emailed MP with my own concerns and commented on this

findthetruth I'm now asking to see him (my MP). Others have had the same reply, not reading our emails. So we are now ALL logged as supporters.

This issue is SO difficult to explain.

I don't like the lgba response (above) at all, too much 'yes we like it but...'
I think we need to be clearer, and say no, this whole bill is a load of tosh

[quote Imnobody4]LGBAlliance have just shared their submission, very useful if you haven't done yet.
lgballiance.org.uk/2021/11/30/lgb-alliances-response-to-the-government-consultation-on-banning-conversion-therapy/[/quote]
This is excellent and I agree very useful to borrow from in our own responses to MPs and the consultation

So I'm now logged as another 'supporter'

this is extremely troubling.

I emailed my MP
He's replied, a long 'standard' reply
It says (in summary) 'yes conv. ther. Is very bad, should be outlawed etc etc'
So he's not read my clearly and simply worded email. At all. Because I said the reverse.

So I'm now logged as another 'supporter'

This is such a problem, the MPs are not listening to us

LGBAlliance have just shared their submission, very useful if you haven't done yet.
lgballiance.org.uk/2021/11/30/lgb-alliances-response-to-the-government-consultation-on-banning-conversion-therapy/