Pink News explain the difference between Pan and Bi sexual

If a bisexual person isn't attracted to NBs or transpeople, that's just preference. Nothing in their sexuality is actually precluding them from being attracted to them. In fact, sometimes they might be attracted to the person without realising they are trans/NB, then go off them. On some forums discussing the tv show Foundation, I read comments from a woman attracted to Salvore. When it was pointed out that she's played by an actor who identifies as NB, the original poster said she went off her.

It's the decision making part of her attraction that turns most of us off NB people. They are subscribed to an ideology we find tiresome/insulting/attention-seeking/all of the above. I'm also not attracted to people with addiction issues, that I know have a history of DV or are very religious. I have felt attraction to a few people and then find out something about them and it's like a switch goes off.

I'm attracted to men and women. But I'm still only actually attracted to a handful of people. The vast majority of people aren't actually attracted to everyone they meet of the sex or sexes they are attracted to. We all have conscious and unconscious reasons and biases. We all have conscious and unconscious preferences. Physical and emotional. Attraction and lack thereof, to people who have gender identities outside of the man/boy or woman/girl does not mean you have a sexuality outside of heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual.

Ok now I'm super confused. I have always been bisexual, attracted to men and women. I am also attracted to people who are trans and non-binary. But I always just considered this to be part of my bisexuality. So what am I now? So confused.

I would define myself as bisexual. I've been attracted to men and women and to non binary people, and don't care whether or not someone is trans but I rarely go for anyone feminine and I go through phases where I have strong preferences for a particular gender, so I don't think the pansexuality definition of "regardless of gender" applies in my case.

According to pink news bi now means more than one.

I like how there’s a shiny and special new word for “I’m so desperate / horny, I’ll shag anyone, no matter what they look like or what bits they have”.

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I think it’s a piece of gaslighting to make everyone else id with wanting to jump everyones bones 24/7, along with a need for those who id as demisexual to be special and celebrated.

It seems to be a complicated ID system for users to always have a label on display indicating the degree to which they're up to it. I can't imagine that that's going to work well for the advantage and safety of women and girls.

I am an old-school bisexual. I am attracted to men with male genitalia who are fine with the fact that they're men, and women with female genitalia who are fine with the fact that they're women. I don't care about stereotypical gender presentation.

I am not attracted to anyone who has gender dysphoria or thinks they're the opposite sex. I'm sure this makes me a massive bigoted TERF who needs to die in a grease fire, but there we go.

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You have to admire the sheer nerve of it, don't you?

"No, it's not that I want sex with no responsibilities at all, no requirement to pretend to be interested in them as a person, no conversation, no actual relationship, no need to have any contact afterwards and basically just want to make use of another person's body with no consequences! I'm just of this very interestingly named sexual orientation, respect my orientation."

But you can't be female and homosexual.

How stupid do they think women are?!

Natal females are not permitted to name a sexuality for themselves that excludes male people from their bodies and not be abused for it. Good girls who are in fact homosexual females phrase it as queer and pan and other things that specify that they will go by a male person's statement of gender identity and not by the physical reality of their body.

This is supposed to be in theory only, with them then able to decide on a case by case basis, but in fact by the BBC article and many accounts, many of these females then experience direct harassment to not just repeat the words but demonstrate their beliefs in action. The whole 'cotton ceiling' workshops were never about wanting female homosexuals to change their language. The workshops were what they said they were; strategising ways for male people to break through female homosexual people's underwear and remove the boundaries the females presented to accessing their bodies.

I rarely find any interest in how the female person feels about this, or identifies, or wants, or likes or is interested in, or really anything regarding her as an autonomous person with any kind of internal life.

I always understood bisexual to mean people who are attracted to either of the two sexes, and pansexual to mean people who are attracted to all genders, which includes trans people.

So while a bisexual person may not be put off by tattoos and piercings they would be unlikely to find themselves attracted to a person who has undergone major body modifications of their genitals and chests/breasts. Whereas a pansexual person would be liable to find those body modifications appealing and sexy.

I really wish we could go back to using the word pansexual to describe people who are sexually attracted to those under the transgender umbrella, and leave the words lesbian, gay and bisexual with their true legal meaning, which is the protected characteristic of sexual orientation.

I feel it would also help children considering transition to realise this very important truth. By transitioning they will drastically reduce their potential dating pool. The vast majority of people, however tolerant and well disposed they are towards trans people, do not find their modified bodies sexually attractive. Demonising lesbian, gay and bisexual people for their "gender fetish" will never change this because sexual orientation is not easily converted.

I think it’s a piece of gaslighting to make everyone else id with wanting to jump everyones bones 24/7, along with a need for those who id as demisexual to be special and celebrated.

I thought that pansexual must be referring to all the ever growing list of genders. I wonder if you can be a hetero/homosexual-pangender?
I also thought queer must mean someone in a heterosexual but same gender relationship, (also homosexual but opposite gender too maybe).

So how does this work with the issue of lesbians being called TERFS if they won't sleep with TW? If assume there's is label acceptable in the weird work of trans ideology that signifies a natal female attracted to a natal female? (And yes I know the label is "lesbian" but there you go)

This is the ongoing battle. That saying stuff doesn't make it true, and not everyone else can be compelled to join in.

This is now the new, cool, ‘inclusive’ way to train women to do what men expect them to when it comes to sex.

If it’s termed a sexuality then no one can ‘discriminate’ by saying no.

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