Schools in Scotland - gender ID

I would not even try to resist to comment on the factual errors - their biology teacher must be crying reading this. I would:

I understand they meant 'physical' not 'physiological' sex characteristics. Physiological indicators of someone's sex are almost as observable as chromosomal, especially straight after birth...🤦‍♀️

There are no 5 sexes, there are 2 - if they really want to use xx/xy model before mixing it up with gender - with a small percentage of population being born with other variations. They also omitted triple X and mosaicism for example if they are keen to stick to biology and seem particularily focused on combinations including y chromosome..

Again, chromosomes are not checked at birth 🤦‍♀️

The main issue here is the using of DSDs in the way they do that could mislead/ confuse children.

And in truth and something they should have thought about. IF there are any children at the school with DSDs (unlikely but still could be) then how do they feel about having reference to DSDs with no context suddenly up on the wall in the school?

It also says that when babies are born they all have their chromosomes checked

The problem I have with this is that the information about sex is included only to give backup to the idea sex is assigned at birth rather than observed.

If it were in biology and the poster was about DSDs.. With stats on incidence etc. Then ok although unlikely. Is it on the curriculum?

But it's not is it. It's there for a completely different reason. And it's got nothing to do with DSDs it's to push the idea that biological sex in humans is very complicated and with no incidence children are led to believe 5 sexes and who can really say which one they are.

I think bamboozled is a little harsh. They haven’t used sex and gender interchangeably. They haven’t suggested intersex people are transgender either. I have found information here very helpful but I’m leaving the thread now.

The point to be taken is that there is no connection between people with differences of sexual development and transgender people. Trans people don't have chromosomal abnormalities 99.9% of the time. Gender clinics no longer bother testing for them for this reason. It's just gender ideology parasitizing other conditions for validity.

""No, from birth all those combination will have the normal physiological identifiers of sex, i.e. the ones with a y chromosome will have a penis and those without will have female genitally and this sex will be recorded on their birth certificate.

The chromosomal abnormality may be picked up soon after birth or much later depending on when any physical or learning disabilities become apparent.""

This isn't true in the case of Swyers, where the chromosome reads XY but the external body is female. In fact, girls with Swyers often don't know they have the condition at all until they fail to menstruate at puberty. There can be a uterus (if underdeveloped) and there have been cases of Swyers where the affected individual has gone on to give birth with IVF.

Sorry if I misunderstood your statement but just wanted to say the presence of a Y chromosome doesn't always equal a penis.

It really worries me that we'll have generation of kids who haven't been taught fundamental biology. How on earth they think this is helpful to anyone I'll never understand. I get that we need to include everyone but giving children inaccurate information about something so fundamental is not kind to anyone. Have some fucking backbone ffs.

I still think the teacher in the op had good intentions at heart and it was one of the better displays about this that I have seen.

Thanks for that info. I think it would be useful to send to the school in question .

OP can you share the 'intersex' poster with the DSD Families?

Schools guide - Differences of Sex Development: A guide to DSD/intersex inclusion for schools
www.dsdfamilies.org/application/files/9116/3519/2768/July_2021_schools.pdf

• Schools have a statutory responsibility to properly support children with medical conditions under Section 100 of the Children and Families Act 2014.

• Every year in the UK, approximately 150 children are diagnosed with differences of sex development (DSD) – and that means there are approximately 2,300 children living with DSD conditions in the UK.

• Schools should avoid imposing terms like “intersex”, which may alienate or further stigmatise pupils.

• Avoid resources and external agencies that use “intersex” in a tokenistic or inaccurate way – if you’re not sure, it would be best to leave intersex/DSD out of lesson plans. This is especially important if schools are planning on covering LGBT+ issues.

• Avoid resources that refer to “intersex” as a third sex category. This is inaccurate and stigmatising and could be very distressing for children with DSD. It is also not inline with schools’ responsibility to teach UK equality law accurately to pupils

• Avoid conflating DSD with LGBT and identity issues. most intersex and DSD orgs and consensus statements agree that it is unhelpful and does little to highlight and address actual issues faced by people with

• Do not pressure children and young people into talking about their DSD

Contact
Twitter @dsdfamilies
Email info*@dsdfamilies*.org
Charity No. 1169896
Web www.dsdfamilies.org/

It's just disgusting propaganda, aimed aimed at brainwashing children " give me a child ..." The SNP are totally corrupted, Alba is the way forward.

I know I’m looking at that poster out of context ie can’t see what else is on the wall or how this is used within lessons etc, but if something’s on a wall like that in a school, as a child I’d be taking that as “correct”. I’d also then be wondering what gender I was or if I had a gender. I don’t identify as a gender, I am female. I don’t know anyone who would say they “identify” as a something when it comes to gender. The information on that poster, to me, suggests that this would be the norm ie everyone identifies as something so not doing so means you’re doing it wrong. Have they put gender into context within a larger discussion eg “Some people are gay, some people are trans, some people are asexual, but it tends to be that the majority of people are heterosexual so it may be that you never have to identify with a particular category of gender” (and why on Earth does it need to have a label?!). It’s not a case of not talking about something and keeping it hidden, it’s more that the vast majority of people are attracted to people of the opposite sex so the majority of children don’t need to be worrying about if they’re enby, demiboy, mascfemme, trans or whatever of the 100 options.

They are all either male or female.

And of course disorders of sexual development have nothing to do with "transgender" nonsense.

The variation in anatomy and physiology (body parts, hormones, genetics etc) represent sex related traits, not sex.

Sex is the type of gamete's ones reproductive anatomy is organised to support.

The chromosomal abnormality may be picked up soon after birth or much later depending on when any physical or learning disabilities become apparent.