Woman's Hour now: BBC walking away from Stonewall

But the point about the pregnant people question was how their style guide has been influenced by Stonewall.

Why would they find pregnant people acceptable in the first place, if Stonewall hadn't been promoting it? That was her point.

Nolan said that the BBC had just arbitrarily included the T on the end of LGB, because of Stonewall. Something to which Emma herself alluded.

The language has been embedded, by Stonewall, via the BBC, to such an extent, that the TV executive didn't even realise where those terms and words have come from.

Hmm, still not up on Sounds yet.

I've just listened to it, I was able to click on "listen live" and scroll back to the start of the programme, just mentioning that because sometimes I read about an interview underway on r4 here and have previously waited until it was uploaded after the fact.

I think he wasn't bad, I think there's no way he was going to give his opinion on something like "pregnant person" but his insistence it would need to be discussed by an editorial team to provide the necessary sensitivity is a statement in itself. It didn't answer her question, which was "what do I do live on air when this comes up, and why isn't there a policy that clarifies it for me if you've been talking about this for months and you say you haven't been influenced editorially by Stonewall?"

That was excellent. Emma Barnett has shot up in my estimation.

That was what got Jenni Murray into trouble, of course.

Jenni Murray couldn't even say that transwomen and women had different life experiences, if I recall correctly.

So, in answer to a previous poster's question, yes the tide is well and truly turning.

I will listen on catch up. Who knew EB was a proper journalist after being an apparent Stonewall mouthpiece for so long?

A good interview. I love the sounds of the overreach chickens coming home to roost.
What a mess when someone high up in the BBC believes that the fact that only biological women get pregnant is a highly contested fact.
Can't wait for this idiocy to disappear from the airwaves.

My favourite question was:

'do you think there should be a programme with the title 'woman's hour' on the BBC?'

The answer was YES.

Well done Emma!

EB: "Shall I give you examples from the Nolan podcast?"

That has made my day.

Emma works on NewsNight and has done for several years. I expect she saw the brilliant investigations into the Tavi, which would have alerted her to what’s going on (as it would with any person who cares about safeguarding)

Always been a Jenni fan. But well done Emma!

I've just realised that Emma Barnett was the interviewer in that interview with Jo Swinson in 2019 before the election. She has been willing to talk about these issues for a while it seems.

BloodinGutters

Well what was so wrong with the bbc they felt they needs to pay such a huge amount to an outside agency to influence their internal policy?

Why couldn’t they understand the equality act themselves?

Why couldn’t the treat lgbt+ employees with dignity and without discrimination without an outside agency telling them how to behave?

That alone raises some pretty significant questions.

It does. And it certainly suggests to me that there were some internal wrangling over policies which many people disagreed with. Maybe stonewall was brought in, initially, to help back up those who wanted those policies put in place. And, as we have seen play out elsewhere, this can quickly disadvantage people as Stonewall do not adhere to the equality act.

I wonder if it's taken months to get to this point because of all the NDAs that needed to be signed!

I didn’t hear the whole thing, but I should imagine he’s been on that course entitled, ‘100 Ways To Avoid Answering A Straight Question By Slithering Around It Like An Oiled Snake’.

Also required learning for politicians.

slightly weird cookery segments

Always hated those! Jenni always sounded slightly OTT in them like she was over-faking her enthusiasm :o

Well what was so wrong with the bbc they felt they needs to pay such a huge amount to an outside agency to influence their internal policy?

Why couldn’t they understand the equality act themselves?

Why couldn’t the treat lgbt+ employees with dignity and without discrimination without an outside agency telling them how to behave?

I think this is a key question and it's to do with the way "transgender" as a concept makes no sense. It's hard to understand, because it makes no sense. But no one wants to say "this makes no sense" and be a bigot, so Stonewall (and any other self-appointed genderwoo "educator") are needed to explain to everyone who's uncertain what it all means and how we're supposed to deal with it. That explanation has to be the faith-based "TWAW" etc and that being transgender is a magical thing that happens the moment you say you are and sex doesn't matter - because any other position is locigally easily dismantled. So you end up with people like the BBC, NHS, judges etc taking this advice because it's the Official Right Thing To Do and not able to say "hang on a minute" because part of the Official Right Thing To Do is that you're not allowed to question it.

Trans extremists don't want the same rights as everyone else - they have those. They want rights that involve forcing other people to collude with magical thinking, and that's why organisations trying to do the right thing get so tied up in knots.

Thanks for heads up, will listen later

Not listened yet but I'm very impressed! Agree that Jenni Murray helped pave the way for this and I find it quite moving thinking about one generation passing the torch down to the next. So to both Jenni and Emma.

Did that guy actually say that only women can give birth is highly contested

So to précis, The huge amount of money Stonewall has been paid by the BBC has resulted in one appointment ( though appointee has now left) , a flurry of pronouns, but no concrete policy that a person who sits on one of the policy making committees can actually point to as now being embedded in BBC policy or programming guidelines.

I am hugely relieved that Stonewall has been shown the door, but would now like an investigation into the decision to employ them in the first place since they appear to have done FA for the money.

He never answered the pregnant people question. You could have heard a pin drop. Coward

Good job Emma

lots of positive comments
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The first interview with a top BBC executive since the corporation decided to pull out of Stonewall. Only on @BBCWomansHour with me at 10am