Woman's Hour now: BBC walking away from Stonewall

"the key thing is, to engage with those staff groups, to discuss our thinking and our reasoning"

He just doesn't get it, does he. All his INCLUSION is excluding women, and he just can't see it. He doesn't want to see it. He just wants to talk to the glitter people. He doesn't think that women are fully human.

To him, it's the "key thing".

This might help get the Stonewall out of the Beeb.
www.vice.com/en/article/n7nv97/lgbtq-employees-are-quitting-the-bbc-because-they-say-its-transphobic

Emma Barnett has written a book about endometriosis and how not being diagnosed with it impacted on her life.

She is a bright, tenacious and smart woman - I'm confident that she never had any doubt of what a woman is (crippled by pain because of a neglected female reproductive system) but is professional and strategic enough to do her job and bide her time.

I'm sure there is a network of influential journalists at the BBC with a secret WhatsApp who have been working on this for some time. Nolan did the podcast, but he surely didn't do that on his own. He's too perfect as a "stepping stone", could get the truth recorded because he's not well known outside of NI, and then the London lot can let rip with the BBC's own testimony.

It's genius.

What's after WH? Horizon?

From upthread
There are 400 trans people working at the BBC, so I imagine there is a massive internal schism going on at the moment.

That may depend on how they are getting that data. Stonewall's annual questionnaire, or at least the one DH had to complete for his workplace, assumes everyone has a gender identity. DH does not. (The poor soul!) So ended up having to opt for being non-binary. Presumably the management are being told that a surprisingly high proportion of their staff are trans, and need to be catered for. Whilst DH is perfectly happy with single sex toilets, indeed wants them retained.

FINALLY EMMA!!!! Thank you

I said this on another thread and will say it again. You can take the BBC out of Stonewall, but it will take time to take the Stonewall out of the BBC. Their influence has gone on for years, and the BBC culture has been bent to accommodate it, employees indoctrinated to believe it and fear crossing it, jobs created to implement it. We should heap praise on the BBC for allowing journalists to speak freely, but there's still a massive scandal as to how they allowed it to happen in the first place, how much tax payer money was spent on it, how many people found their positions of employment untenable because of it, and how it did - because it clearly did - leech into their news output. They could start with answering Nolan's FOI requests.

As for Emma B, I think she was TWAW/be kind, but I think she shifted after the Olympics and when she interviewed the trans woman who convinced the IOC to change their rules based on just 8 cases. To be fair, Laurel Hubbard made a lot of people suddenly open their eyes to what is going on. I remember EB being quite defensive about that interview and the criticism of the BBC for not actually bothering to talk to any biological women on this issue (there was the Moral Maze as well that had 2 trans women and a bloke as witnesses). That was only a few months ago. But maybe the criticism opened her eyes?

I mean obviously the best thing to do would be to publish the actual guidance that Stonewall have given the BBC, see if they've followed it, and whether not it's impartial.

That's the thing to do if they feel so bloody confident.

Wow. Well thats backed them into a corner hasn't it.

Well played out.

Between the BBC and stonewall, the options are either say that none of it has any influence In which case raise questions over what the money has been spent on, why it was spent as its apparently useless and has made no difference.

Or admit that its had too much influence because by the very admission there would need to be discussions over basic biological facts being raised when relevant upon reporting the news.

And stonewall statement implies that the training is so useless that there have been no tools by which staff have been given and no learning at all to be had that the secind they stop paying fir said useless service towards employees that apparently cannot retain any information whatsoever , the staff will apparently all be in danger.

There is absolutely no angle upon which any of them look remotely good

Lies are exposed in whatever way you look at it.

The only hope here clearly is that no one is bright enough to figure it out

The Nolan report talked at length about the style guide. This is what that man should have been addressing.

Their style guide comes from Stonewall. And he probably doesn't even realise.

brilliant

The language has been embedded, by Stonewall, via the BBC, to such an extent, that the TV executive didn't even realise where those terms and words have come from.

I hadn’t thought of it like that. Spot on.

Summarising in a phrase the mess they're in having believed Stonewall's fantasies rather than facts.

Author John Boyne has an interesting tweet on the matter...

Maybe it was a last minute addition to the programme? being kind to the BBC and assuming they are not deliberately hiding things

I'm listening to it now on the Sounds link. It's at the beginning.

It is there now. I shall listen over lunch.

It's on Sounds now. But look how the interview isn't mentioned on the snapshot

EB is now unleashed and WH was interesting today. Finally the Beeb is debating this. However I just checked the Style guide (how journalist are to write their stories) and its still asserting that 'homosexual' is same gender attracted rather than same sex attracted. Conflating sex and gender like this not correct. Homosexuals are attracted to the same biological sex as in 'homo' meaning same and sex meaning biological sex. This is important as it has safeguarding implications especially for lesbians. We should write in and draw their attention to it

I've found it on Sounds via "more episodes".

I noticed it's not up on Sounds yet either. But the programme after it on the schedule is.
Hmmm