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Woman's Hour now: BBC walking away from Stonewall

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nauticant · 11/11/2021 10:06

Emma Barnett is asking the questions.

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Manderleyagain · 11/11/2021 11:19

So when did Emma peak?

I felt quite emotional during that. It's all being discussed smack in the middle of bbc programming, with all the sunlight that brings.

Thank you to the BBC manager who agreed to be interviewed. I'm such a woos I always really feel for whoever iz being interviewed in uncomfortable interviews like that. But he's paid the big bucks to answer the hard questions. I didn't think the 'pregnant people' question was that helpful tbh. It seems to me if a guest wants to use that language they can, but the presenter shouldn't imo, but he can't adjudicate on the hoof live on air.

The BBC is an unique organisation & position. I can't imagine another news organisation interviewing itself, doing podcast series on itself, criticising itself publicly. Being seen to be imperial, and trusted to be imperial, is (nearly) as important as actually being impartial.

Well done Emma.

DoctorTwo · 11/11/2021 11:18

I will listen to this on the Sounds app later, it's about time that woman's hour cmae out fighting. Along with the Nolan podcast it appears the tanker has turned. Excellent.

WakeUpLockie · 11/11/2021 11:17

Oh I can't wait to listen to this later. Lately I feel like the tide is starting to turn?? But I can be quite naive. Is it??

BoreOfWhabylon · 11/11/2021 11:16

@OhHolyJesus

Has someone put truth serum in Emma's tea?

Her tune is certainly changed.

I don't think this is fair. She's been shackled until recently but there have been glimpses since before she started WH.

Let's show her some love and remember that the BBC loves feedback

Woman's Hour now: BBC walking away from Stonewall
nauticant · 11/11/2021 11:16

Anita Rani's Fluffy Fridays drive me to distraction WinterTrees.

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hanahsaunt · 11/11/2021 11:15

Positive feedback sent - I wonder if it will be published given they note that they like to show off praise ;)

WinterTrees · 11/11/2021 11:13

@MrsMadderRose

I think Emma's been well and truly "educated" (in a good way!) by some of the interviews/research she's done on this topic and is really getting to grips with the issues. Either that or she's just been able to be a bit more honest in light of the recent direction of travel.

She can be brusque and pushy but sometimes you really want that. Woman's hour should be about standing for women and asking the questions about women's issues.

When she took over I initially missed WH as it used to be - cosy mid-morning chat about mad knitting projects, women poets, the odd politician, a bit about women's health, slightly weird cookery segments, and domestic stories about family dynamics. When the new presenters started I didn't like what i remember describing as Emma's 'hectoring' tone.

I have now completely, and happily, revised my opinion as I can see the programme is becoming what it absolutely needs to be in the 21st century. If I want cosy I can pick up a copy of Good Housekeeping. I bloody love Emma Barnett's tenacity and fearlessness and I admire her enormously for shaking up an institution that - thanks to the scold's bridle previously placed on its presenters - was failing in its remit. (I have to confess I don't bother listening on Fridays though. Anita Rani's saccharine niceness sets my teeth on edge.) It's so refreshing to hear women who are not afraid to be assertive and challenge men, without apologising for it.

BloodinGutters · 11/11/2021 11:13

[quote Shewholovedthethebanhills]@Lovelyricepudding his line seems to be it was all about internal policy not editorial policy? Which EB is still challenging, of course.[/quote]
Well what was so wrong with the bbc they felt they needs to pay such a huge amount to an outside agency to influence their internal policy?

Why couldn’t they understand the equality act themselves?

Why couldn’t the treat lgbt+ employees with dignity and without discrimination without an outside agency telling them how to behave?

That alone raises some pretty significant questions.

Datun · 11/11/2021 11:13

Interesting that he wanted to make a very strong distinction between how they treat their colleagues, and what the content of their output is. Surely, if impartiality is the key, wouldn't that work in both situations? Especially if you see a clash of rights amongst your colleagues?

Kendodd · 11/11/2021 11:13

Well I just hope Emma doesn't get rape and death threats after that.

I wonder if the trans issue will ultimately bring Stonewall down? Stonewall has done a great deal of good work until it lost it's way getting tangled up with trans issues.

JoodyBlue · 11/11/2021 11:10

Dame Jenni paved the way perhaps, for Emma to show what a great journalist she is. Two years ago this kind of questioning would not have been possible at the BBC. A movement of reason, and support, and tenacity bears fruit when it gives the floor over to the next generation to steer a discussion. Marvellous!

Mollyollydolly · 11/11/2021 11:08

Hunter was the BBC LGBTQ correspondent. There were many complaints about his reporting, his lack of impartiality and his close affiliation with Stonewall. He's since left and now works for Vice.

nauticant · 11/11/2021 11:07

Ben Hunte was the BBC's first dedicated LGBT correspondent PigeonLittle. He was utterly rubbish, and not at all impartial, and seemed for some reason to include lots of incorrect information in his articles which always seemed to benefit trans activism. He left the BBC under a cloud and there was much rejoicing:

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1438818681723793409

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AlfonsoTheUnrepentant · 11/11/2021 11:05

I've sent positive feedback.

MonsignorMirth · 11/11/2021 11:04

Ooh, must listen.
I think it'll be available here at some point soon
www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/brand/b007qlvb

PigeonLittle · 11/11/2021 11:03

Woman's Hour is now going in my subscribed list on BBC Sounds. This is a good way to show that the conversations they are having are creating more reach. If you can do this it would be a good way of showing support, as well as writing to Woman's Hour directly.

MrsMadderRose · 11/11/2021 11:03

I think Emma's been well and truly "educated" (in a good way!) by some of the interviews/research she's done on this topic and is really getting to grips with the issues. Either that or she's just been able to be a bit more honest in light of the recent direction of travel.

She can be brusque and pushy but sometimes you really want that. Woman's hour should be about standing for women and asking the questions about women's issues.

PigeonLittle · 11/11/2021 11:02

@Mollyollydolly

You could just tell from what was left unsaid that Ben Hunter had caused a massive shitstorm right at the top of the BBC. He was always our best ally!
I seem to have missed this entirely, can anyone explain who Ben Hunter is please?
FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 11:02

I hope she gets Jenni Murray back on to interview!

YEEEESSSSS!!!!!

nauticant · 11/11/2021 11:01

It can be listen to again at this link Doubletoilandtrouble:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0011c4v

You might have to be registered on BBC Sounds to listen. It really is well worth a listen, this thread is fun to read but listening to the actual nuts and bolts of the struggle going on in the BBC is simply great.

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PigeonLittle · 11/11/2021 11:01

@nauticant

waffle waffle waffle

EB: "Is the answer that we don't have a policy yet?"

Emma Barnett is asking the key question for BBC journalist which is why there's something of a rebellion going on: they know they're facing arbitrary rules where, if certain external pressure is applied to the BBC, will lead to journalists being punished.

This sounds excellent!
HH76ds31 · 11/11/2021 11:01

@Doubletoilandtrouble

BBC Sounds
Might be a small delay before it's available to stream

Doubletoilandtrouble · 11/11/2021 10:59

Does anyone know where I can catch up on this? Would love to watch it

nauticant · 11/11/2021 10:57

In recognition of Remembrance Day the final feature is about female agents of the SOE during the Second World War. Powerful stuff. Great stories but so much to bring a tear to the eye.

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BarbaraofSeville · 11/11/2021 10:55

@OhHolyJesus

Has someone put truth serum in Emma's tea?

Her tune is certainly changed.

Am I mistaken in thinking she was on the TWAW bandwagon until recently?

I haven't listened to WH much since she took over, so may be misremembering, but I will certainly be downloading this to listen to.