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FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 05:37

Trying to interpret this sentence whether the BBC needs to be ‘impartial on trans people’s lives’. I want to be clear, our impartiality is infused with democratic values and we are not impartial on human rights. from the Guardian article

"The BBC director general, Tim Davie, told staff it was “unquestionable” that its ongoing participation in the scheme “has led some organisations and individuals to consider that the BBC cannot be impartial when reporting on public policy debates where Stonewall is taking an active, campaigning, role”."

"Davie acknowledged many LGBT and trans staff would be disappointed by the decision to withdraw from the scheme.

He said: “Some have asked me whether the BBC needs to be ‘impartial on trans people’s lives’. I want to be clear, our impartiality is infused with democratic values and we are not impartial on human rights. In simple terms, what that means is that we don’t condone or support discrimination in any form.”

However, he also said the treatment of trans people in society was an impartiality topic in the eyes of the BBC, unlike others such as gay rights or the climate crisis.

“Our editorial guidelines are also clear: when reporting on policy debates, our journalism must be impartial and reflect a range of views. I want our reporting to cover a range of topics and different perspectives, to help our audiences understand and engage with the world around them.”"

FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 05:30

"Last year, BBC journalists were also told they could attend Pride marches only if they did not take a stance on “politicised or contested issues” – widely interpreted by LGBTQ+ staff as meaning no public position on trans rights."

BBC leaving Stonewall has been in air ever since the change in direction to be impartial in all areas, including LGBT

FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 05:24

BBC quits Stonewall diversity scheme over impartiality concerns
www.theguardian.com/media/2021/nov/10/bbc-quits-stonewall-diversity-scheme-impartiality-concerns-transgender-issues

BBC pulls out of Stonewall diversity scheme
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-59232736

BBC Leaves Stonewall And Tells LGBTQ Staff: ‘We’re Not Impartial On Human Rights’
www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2021/11/10/bbc-defends-leaving-stonewall-we-are-not-impartial-on-human-rights/

FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 05:17

On the subject of LGB views not being allowed, more sunlight will come during the 2 day Tribunal sometime between 28 February – 27 May 2022, Mermaids appeal against the Charity Commissions and LGB Alliance.

littlebilliie · 10/11/2021 23:17

@name3958

Now if only my government department would stop, I've refused the training thus far but dread to think what we pay.
I'm starting to wonder if this was a funding drive
littlebilliie · 10/11/2021 23:16

#NHS I would take note in the Times. Most beloved of words mother denigrated

"Documents released under the Freedom of Information Act have revealed how Stonewall has, for example, instructed public bodies to remove gendered wordss_ such as “mother” from their HR policies and to support campaigns on their official social media accounts in order to climb the rankings of its Top 100 LGBT-friendly employers."

Times

MiladyBerserko · 10/11/2021 23:06

I've lost track of what has been posted, but here is The Times article, published this evening

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fbca915a-424f-11ec-96bf-de0821791f3f?shareToken=ef50bdc898f7e0490da8c64bef17de1f

ArabellaScott · 10/11/2021 22:59

[quote MiladyBerserko]Women of Mumsnet, take a Fucking Bow

mobile.twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1458499166351601676[/quote]
Star

Blueskip · 10/11/2021 22:13

@CruellaDeVilla

And unintentional irony here:

“Our work continues until the world we imagine is the world we live in”

I was just coming on to point this out!

They couldn't have written a truer word!

MiladyBerserko · 10/11/2021 22:11

Women of Mumsnet, take a Fucking Bow

mobile.twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1458499166351601676

name3958 · 10/11/2021 22:10

Now if only my government department would stop, I've refused the training thus far but dread to think what we pay.

OneSugar1 · 10/11/2021 22:06

I was born early 70s too. I certainly don’t remember lesbianism being framed as akin to racism, which is essentially what Stonewall has done recently.

Shame on them for throwing under the bus a significant proportion of the people they were supposed to support, and for continuing to try to exploit them now in order to cling to their unelected power.

TractorAndHeadphones · 10/11/2021 22:04

Also this thread

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4396710-Lush-Binder-Collection

TractorAndHeadphones · 10/11/2021 22:03

As a bisexual woman - the absolute cheek of stonewall to blab about the rights of LGBTQ+ people when their agenda is solely focused on the T, with flashing rainbow lights.
@Blackopal has it right relief mixed with absolute fury.

Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 10/11/2021 21:54

I have to say, looking on Twitter, there isn't quite as much outcry about this as I would have expected - yes the usual suspects are up in arms, but even on their replies and retweets there are a lot of 'impure views'!

I can't quite believe it to be honest.

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 10/11/2021 21:52

Well done to the Nolan report, but even more well done to all the women (and Glinner!) who did the ground work that eventually made the Nolan report possible, but who were derided and ignored.

DevonTF · 10/11/2021 21:51

So bloody happy right now.

Thefartingsofaofdenmarkstreet · 10/11/2021 21:51

Love 'started on Mumsnet' FlowersSmile

Am hoping that this development will also mean an end to this kind of reporting

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-53410019

There must have been actual thought go into writing that article without mentioning the fact that sex offender is actually male. The Stonewall influenced editorial policy presumably meaning that male crimes must be reported as female crimes if the perp feels like a woman? And it's only from just over a year ago!

dolorsit · 10/11/2021 21:34

I was born early 70's, I can remember some media worries about gay men and children but I think this was mainly the fallout from PIE and the mistaken belief that men who assaulted boys were gay.

The only time I remember lesbians being described as predators was by men who were being dismissive of women needing female only spaces.

twelly · 10/11/2021 21:22

The sooner the whole agenda is ditched by all organisation the better - we have become a society that has allowed the minority to dictate to the majority. There is a world of difference between ensuring equality and "live and let live" to the current situation where only one view had been allowed and where opposing views have been silenced.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 10/11/2021 21:09

@RepentMotherfucker

Nancy Kelley is having a good year isn't she? O see a good old fashioned 'stepping down to focus on my family' and a new broom by January.

She must be spotting feathers that Ruth - who is responsible for all of this - got to swan off with all the honours.

Grin

It should have been clear which way the wind was blowing when she took the job on but even if it wasn’t she has done her best to make things worse for herself with that antisemitism line. Not the tiniest bit of sympathy.
SirSamuelVimes · 10/11/2021 21:05

"started on Mumsnet"

Whoop whoop! Cheers, vipers. Wine

PeriChristmas · 10/11/2021 21:02

👏👏👏

OhHolyJesus · 10/11/2021 20:59

Oh and Mumsnet gets a mention...👏🏻

(Who is that trip trapping on my bridge?)

RepentMotherfucker · 10/11/2021 20:59

Maybe Nancy needs a Golden Bridge.

Shall we build one in FWR?

We could hide a sharpened spoon in a rainbow/unicorn cake and smuggle it in to her? (For her to tunnel out before anyone starts!)