The BBC announces it is leaving Stonewall

The emperor’s lack of clothes is finally becoming apparent. Thank fuck for that. Maybe now we really can start to build towards safety and inclusion for ALL.

That’s good given the issues with Stonewall but the BBC will need to look at their whole editorial policy about sex and gender issues for their programming and online content. And also show transparently how they will meaningfully support their staff around biological sex, sexuality and gender identity, around which there can still be (obviously) workplace discrimination.
Have they done that thinking? It’s not easy to get right. What will the Stonewall budget be spent on..?

Misrepresenting the law does leave Stonewall Diversity Champions vulnerable to legal actions and even class actions from their female/gay/lesbian/bisexual staff at any time in-the-future.

Legal Feminist has highlighted the risk that organisations associated with Stonewall, and in particular its corrupted interpretation of human rights law attract.

It's unlikely most HR Directors have read that advice, but if a Company or organisation maintains a proper Risk Register, having an entry related to being a Stonewall Diversity Champion should be an expectation. Of course that risk can be accepted, or perhaps more sensibly, mitigated, by leaving the scheme.

Legal risks for Stonewall members

As a HR Director, knowledge that your career (and pension) might be at peril if you persist in maintaining a relationship with Stonewall, at the possible cost of seeing your employer subjected to a High Court action by its employees/ex-employees, is surely diffusing through the profession.

How can they (Stonewall) support LGB people when they say homosexuality is same gender attraction? I honestly don't get it

[quote bellinisurge]This one hurts them. Here's their response. They haven't commented on any other incidents of organisations pulling out. Self inflicted

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-bbc-leaving-diversity-champions-programme[/quote]
In which Stonewall say this:

Inclusion matters. We depend on work for our livelihoods. Many spend more time at work than anywhere else. LGBTQ+ people deserve to feel safe and respected at work, and the human impact of these attacks can’t be underestimated.

This will be why, as a lesbian in a Stonewalled organization, I am afraid to speak in certain work environments where the BBC article about lesbians being coerced by TW was discussed with the Stonewall line of 'liars, not significant, lesbians have penises too'? Where my complaints to D&I team members are ignored while they fawn over non-binary ID males? Where any slight dissent about Stonewall policies is pounced on, and pejorative terms about women and sexual boasts are waved through as long as it's couched in 'Inclusive, LGBTQ+' terms?

Pull the fucking other one, you lying bullies.

This is fantastic news!

Massive, massive news

Omg!!! Thank you and well done Stephan Nolan 👏 👏 👏

However, over time our participation in the Programme has led some to question whether the BBC can be impartial when reporting on public policy debates where Stonewall is taking an active role.

This is just self evident. If you are a member of a scheme that demands you act in a certain way to gain points or be denounced if you don't act in a way they approve you can never be impartial.

I'm pleased the BBC has left but also sad that stonewall once a force for good has become what it is now

Like rats fleeing a sinking ship.

And unintentional irony here:

“Our work continues until the world we imagine is the world we live in”

That’s a good statement from the BBC. Before reading the petulant Stonewall response I was thinking it was good that they left the door open to working with Stonewall in the future. Like many LGB people I would love to see them getting refocused and back to the great organisation they once were.

Brill - wish my company would…they’re still on sending out lists of the different genders and we’ve just been asked to refer to people in gender neutral terms

Thank goodness. One more positive step here

[quote bellinisurge]This one hurts them. Here's their response. They haven't commented on any other incidents of organisations pulling out. Self inflicted

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-bbc-leaving-diversity-champions-programme[/quote]
This bit is interesting “

“Inclusion matters. We depend on work for our livelihoods. Many spend more time at work than anywhere else. LGBTQ+ people deserve to feel safe and respected at work, and the human impact of these attacks can’t be underestimated. we depend on work for our livelihoods”

Oh, like Kathleen Stock and Jo Phoenix and Maya Forstater then?

Excellent!!!

Fantastic news! Ultimately, I think it's down to Tim Davies' new broom which allowed the Nolan podcast to be made and broadcast. I'd almost completely given up on BBC output but feel there's been a clear and welcome change of direction recently.

Excellent news.

Excellent news!

Sorry, that was in response to @CalleachO.

This is true, and the good work that Stonewall has done in the past shouldn’t be forgotten, but frankly they have only themselves to blame for their current dire reputation because they allowed themselves to be hijacked.

The really sad thing is that other organisations who signed up to the Stonewall creed have lost supporters because of it, I have been a member of Amnesty for many years , have taken an active part in many of their campaigns including the amazing Violence Against Women campaign , but have cancelled my membership in protest at the way they are ignoring women’s rights in favour of a few loud shouty people.

Fantastic that they've properly left, by leaving the workplace equality index WEI too, unlike other organisations. The WEI IS the scheme.

I am delighted!

About fucking time. They're probably shitting themselves at how badly they have failed the public on this and that their impartiality was shown so clearly to be non-existent until late in the day. Well done Nolan and Co.

Maybe trans people who don’t support gender ideology or want to take away women’s should start their own group. I’m not entirely sure it’s needed though, I can’t imagine how being treated as a human being deserving of life without discrimination but still acknowledging their biological sex needs are those of their biological sex requires a specific group. But if they feel it does they can form their own non sw group easy enough.