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Hoardasurass · 10/11/2021 14:24

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Shedbuilder · 10/11/2021 14:23

[quote bellinisurge]This one hurts them. Here's their response. They haven't commented on any other incidents of organisations pulling out. Self inflicted

www.stonewall.org.uk/about-us/news/stonewall-statement-bbc-leaving-diversity-champions-programme[/quote]
I note that their statement with all its claims that one-in-five LGBTQ+ people are discriminated against at work cites no source for its allegations, certainly no footnotes indicating how many LGBTQ+ job-seekers were polled and how rigorously their answers were checked.

Just last week Stonewall advocates were gunning for the BBC for citing Angela Wild's social media poll about male-sexed people claiming to be lesbians because it wasn't rigorously carried out. Hmmm.

BloodinGutters · 10/11/2021 14:21

@MrsJamin

This is brilliant. Only just this morning I was checking which trans affirming charities Children In Need supports and found this - they're not getting any of my money this year as "5 projects to the value of £400,000 are focused specifically on gender identity". Gendered Intelligence being one of them with funding of £135,576 to provide children as young as 4 with lessons which encourage them to explore their 'gender identities'. I hope that CIN quickly regain their independence from Stonewall's clutches and severs links with all 5 of these projects.
I’m sure someone can post info/links better than I can, but I’m sure there are some very serious ethical issues with CIN anyways.
LizzieSiddal · 10/11/2021 14:20

Fantastic news about the BBC. Thanks to all those who have stuck their neck out, including MNHQ.

Clymene · 10/11/2021 14:20

Well this is excellent news. I think the fact they have left both schemes speaks volumes.

I also hope the publicity this gets will lead to HR and PR departments of other big corporates having a hard think about whether membership of stonewall is helping or hindering their public image.

CatChant · 10/11/2021 14:20

Hallelujah!

Looks like the witch-hunters overreached themselves.

LizzieSiddal · 10/11/2021 14:20

“Our work continues until the world we imagine is the world we live in”

Chilling from Stonewall. We don’t want your imagined world thank you very much!

BloodinGutters · 10/11/2021 14:19

@ahagwearsapointybonnet

Fantastic news! Well done to Nolan and Thompson, and everyone in the BBC and other media who's spoken out! And to everyone who has written/emailed/complained to the BBC about the relationship, however small-scale GrinStarGlitterball
We should all be writing thanks again for this.

I don’t think the bbc will doubt they are right, but it still helps for them to hear how much support there is for them doing this from the general public.

It’ll be on my list for tomorrow.

MrsJamin · 10/11/2021 14:19

This is brilliant. Only just this morning I was checking which trans affirming charities Children In Need supports and found this - they're not getting any of my money this year as "5 projects to the value of £400,000 are focused specifically on gender identity". Gendered Intelligence being one of them with funding of £135,576 to provide children as young as 4 with lessons which encourage them to explore their 'gender identities'. I hope that CIN quickly regain their independence from Stonewall's clutches and severs links with all 5 of these projects.

TabithaTiger · 10/11/2021 14:18

That's so interesting. People are starting to find their voice and speak up at my organisation. It feel like the tide may well be starting to turn.

ArabellaScott · 10/11/2021 14:18

Our work continues until the world we imagine is the world we live in.

What about the worlds other people imagine, Stonewall? Where lesbians are free to state they don't want penises? Where homosexuals don't feel pressured to consider other 'genders'? And where organisations will fight for people who are same-sex attracted without absolutely everything having to be all about trans people?

Bellaisoneluckywoman · 10/11/2021 14:17

Bloody BRILLIANT. Massive kudos to Nolan.

BloodinGutters · 10/11/2021 14:17

@NoThankYouSaurus

Good news. But BBC leaving Stonewall doesn't necessarily mean Stonewall leaving the BBC. The change in culture and uncritical attitudes in favour of the trans movement will take a while to disentangle. Let's not let them off the hook too early.
That’s not bad either though. If bbc are seeking to be impartial as they should then stonewall still having scope to be open within bbc only means further scope for us to challenge the anti science anti woman anti homosexual bs.

Making it so they are pushed out and their quixotic followers hide with them only means they have a cult following in hiding. And that sucks in vulnerable children and young people.

We don’t want them doing that in the dark. We want them to have a role in mainstream discourse, because that shows up their bias for what it is.

SapphosRock · 10/11/2021 14:16

And all of a sudden the BBC feels able to use the word 'women' again rather than 'people' Smile

The BBC announces it is leaving Stonewall
OvaHere · 10/11/2021 14:15

@CruellaDeVilla

And unintentional irony here:

“Our work continues until the world we imagine is the world we live in”

That's a very totalitarian mindset. How about you try working within the realms of reality for change?
ahagwearsapointybonnet · 10/11/2021 14:14

Fantastic news! Well done to Nolan and Thompson, and everyone in the BBC and other media who's spoken out! And to everyone who has written/emailed/complained to the BBC about the relationship, however small-scale GrinStarGlitterball

ArabellaScott · 10/11/2021 14:14

Seem to have an earworm.

NoThankYouSaurus · 10/11/2021 14:12

Good news. But BBC leaving Stonewall doesn't necessarily mean Stonewall leaving the BBC. The change in culture and uncritical attitudes in favour of the trans movement will take a while to disentangle. Let's not let them off the hook too early.

Eyesofdisarray · 10/11/2021 14:11

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WearyLady · 10/11/2021 14:10

Sanity at last!!!

CriticalCondition · 10/11/2021 14:09

Yes!! Brilliant news!

Bellusaurus · 10/11/2021 14:06

@CruellaDeVilla

And unintentional irony here:

“Our work continues until the world we imagine is the world we live in”

Indeed - is that a general stonewall mantra or new for this press release?
MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/11/2021 14:02

So pleased the BBC said: has led some to question whether the BBC can be impartial

That's the question every government department, organisation and school should be asking. Following the demands of those enforcing queer theory is not impartial.

NecessaryScene · 10/11/2021 14:00

How can they (Stonewall) support LGB people when they say homosexuality is same gender attraction? I honestly don't get it

Because "LGB" is about same-gender attraction, according to Stonewall. So they support "LGB people" - ie same-gender attracted.

(I guess if you're niche gender 37, you get in under the "T", regardless of whether you're attracted to gender 37, anything apart from 37, or only to gender 45 specifically. The LGB bits are only for the boring "male" and "female" genders).

If you think same-sex attraction makes more sense, you probably need to look to new groups like LGB Alliance and Lesbian & Gay News.

And this of course means Stonewall are not the obvious people to go to as experts on the Equality Act, which specifically protects actual sexual orientation.

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