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Miriam Cates

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Isthatthebestyoucando · 10/11/2021 10:42

Brilliant speech, I don't know if it's already on here. Worth a watch
I sent a card to this lady when she was on GB new the other week.

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FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 07:27

Please everybody keep pestering your children's schools!

Puuuuulllllllll

ValancyRedfern · 11/11/2021 07:16

This is a great speech. But serious work needs to be done on the ground. I'm a PSHE teacher and most PSHE teachers I know are fully invested in gender ideology. There is no questioning the Mermaids/Stonewall good; Transgender Trend bad mantra. I think PSHE attracts particularly 'woke' young teachers, and they are the ones setting the agenda in schools. Sadly this speech, if they notice it at all, will be categorised as another bit of transphobia and dismissed.

Please everybody keep pestering your children's schools! They are in so deep this will take so much more fight.

FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 06:38

The minister has agreed to meet with her and I hope 2 matters re Stonewall are discussed:

  1. RSE guidance linking to Stonewall In England, the Department for Education lists Stonewall’s inclusive education guidance as a key resource in Annex B of the Relationships Education, Relationships and Sex Education (RSE) and Health Education Statutory guidance (page 46)

  2. Money The DfE spent almost £600,000 of taxpayers' money on Stonewall schemes in the past four years

  3. EA Stonewall's misrepresentation of the Equality Act and guidance that contravenes the latest government RSE guidelines

  4. Teaching 5 year olds trans identities Why are five year olds being taught about “trans identities” using a book which teaches children that they have no right to know the sex of other children in their schools and playgrounds? It is not until children reach the age of six to seven that they understand the consistency of sex. For English, children will open Are You A Boy or Are You A Girl? again and be asked to identify nouns and verbs. Stonewall go further though, advising that the book should also be used to explore “trans identities”. www.transgendertrend.com/stonewall-lgbt-inclusive-teaching-primary-schools/

  5. DfE membership of Stonewall. both champions diversity scheme and Workplace equality index

WarriorN · 11/11/2021 06:20

When you are in safeguarding sessions for schools you discuss specific cases and specific scenarios to demonstrate the way safeguarding needs to work.

Teachers need to consider specific cases such as Keira Bell (or one linked to a school. Eg as experienced by ROGDmum.)

WarriorN · 11/11/2021 06:18

Yes. No basis in science.

Since joining some fb RSE teaching groups this is more of an issue than I ever thought and she's so absolutely bang on about this.

If this is inserted into actual safeguarding guidance in a more explicit way, it will be harder for both the external agencies and teacher training institutions to peddle this shit,

Because that's the other big issue. Universities are infected and their staff are teaching the next gen of teachers. See Shereen Benjamin

FindTheTruth · 11/11/2021 06:07

She kept repeating the line: dangerous and contested extreme ideologies that don't have a basis in science which is important

WarriorN · 11/11/2021 05:50

Oops sorry didn't rtft!

That is a sterling speech. Nail on head. I don't write to mps much ever but I'm writing to her about that.

WarriorN · 11/11/2021 05:48

@Masdintle

I don't really know what Hansard is, but would this speech be transcribed into it? As a permanent record?

Yes

BettyFilous · 10/11/2021 21:42

It tells you how far down the rabbit hole we are when someone saying things that were self evident in 2015 sounds like a bloody genius and speaker of truth to power.

donquixotedelamancha · 10/11/2021 21:21

I've checked her voting record and it's off-putting.

Which bits? She's voted with the Tories pretty consistently so it's never going to be stuff I particularly agree with but I can't see any huge clangers. Johnson actually hasn't done that much legislating sort from Brexit.

Igmum · 10/11/2021 21:19

Wonderful. Thank you MC. Let all that light in

Boomboomboomboom · 10/11/2021 21:13

This is amazing. Thank you Miriam Cates.

I wonder whether she has wanted to say this for a while but felt unable to or whether the current litigation and news regarding Stonewall etc has simply brought the issue to the front?

SirVixofVixHall · 10/11/2021 20:47

@donquixotedelamancha

Ffs, I can't possibly vote Tory, can I?

If she were my MP that would push me to do it. The commons needs more Scientists, women and people willing to stand for their beliefs, great to see all three.

I would vote for her. Spineless Labour MPs pretending there is no problem.
ChattyLion · 10/11/2021 20:32

Thanks for the Hansard text link. That’s a good speech naming the organisations aiming this politics at kids and saying she is trying to meet with the minister about it. Excellent.
I’m a Labour voter and I just wish they could be even half as child-focused and safe-guarding focused in this area as that one MP is.

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Thegreenray · 10/11/2021 19:51

I've checked her voting record and it's off-putting. But I'd be tempted to vote for her because of this one issue, given the poor alternatives.

LonginesPrime · 10/11/2021 19:46

Wow - she's brilliant!

It's so refreshing to see a mother in parliament who's not afraid to speak her mind and to speak up for safeguarding and for children. She has a background in teaching too, which is great.

donquixotedelamancha · 10/11/2021 19:39

Ffs, I can't possibly vote Tory, can I?

If she were my MP that would push me to do it. The commons needs more Scientists, women and people willing to stand for their beliefs, great to see all three.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 10/11/2021 15:41

@Masdintle

I don't really know what Hansard is, but would this speech be transcribed into it? As a permanent record?
Yes - Hansard is the record of what happens in theHouse of Commons. Everything that's happened in the chamber is recorded and published - all part of an open democracy. Such a shame that all the meetings that happened in secret with the anti women lot as they pushed for the removal of women's rights weren't also transcribed.
Sickoffamilydrama · 10/11/2021 15:36

[quote andyoldlabour]Here is the full Youtube interview with Miriam Cates.

[/quote] Thanks for that her story of becoming an MP is interesting, I've been toying with doing similar think she's inspired me to look further into it.
andyoldlabour · 10/11/2021 15:12

Here is the full Youtube interview with Miriam Cates.

andyoldlabour · 10/11/2021 15:09

We have to ask ourselves, what are the chances of a Labour, LibDem or Green MP standing up and speaking like this?
Here is Miriam Cates on GBNews.

twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1452603345256992775

Masdintle · 10/11/2021 13:53

I don't really know what Hansard is, but would this speech be transcribed into it? As a permanent record?