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Stonewall?

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N00tN00t · 10/11/2021 08:54

I am writing an assignment for college, I have chosen to write about stonewall in businesses. It is a both sides argument essay, and I have been trying to research the effects of stonewall in businesses and companies.

When I started a couple of months ago, there was a lot of websites for both sides, but now when I type anything into Google, it is only coming back with stonewall the website, the history of stonewall or ways to sign up and become a diversity champion. ALL of it is the 'good side' argument. Does anyone know what has happened? I know when I started there was a lot of other results from many different points of view. Can anyone give me some places to go so I can do a balanced assignment?

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N00tN00t · 10/11/2021 09:20

Thank you! These were the sorts of things I have been looking for, they used to come back in the results if I searched 'the effects of stonewall in businesses' or similar. Not now, though.

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N00tN00t · 10/11/2021 09:18

I understand that @Babdoc but it does have to be a balanced essay. I spoke to my tutor yesterday as I was a bit worried about writing on it, but he was really keen for me to do it. He said it would be his first assignment submitted on it and he was really interested in the little bit of detail I went into. So now I'm trying to write something that gets the message across without it being biased one way.

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334bu · 10/11/2021 09:17

www.spiked-online.com/2021/05/24/stonewalls-reign-of-intolerance/

you might find this by Jo Bartosch interesting

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 10/11/2021 09:13

You could look up Akua Reindorf's report on the dodgy goings-on at Essex University for a start, and Allison Bailey's employment tribunal case against them for allegedly trying to get her law chambers to silence her (due to be heard next year).

Also if you Google "come out of Stonewall" that should get you some more info and also links to groups which will have more background - many companies/organisations for example have been changing their diversity and equality policies/statements to refer to "gender" rather than "sex", apparently at Stonewall's instigation, and even to misquote the Equality Act as saying "gender" is the protected characteristic, rather than "sex" and "gender reassignment" which are those actually stated in the Act.

Plus you'll probably want to look up what Matthew Parris and Simon Fanshawe have written/said about SW in recent years, they were both founder members who have now left and are very unhappy about SW's current direction and behaviour (not directly related to SW "in business" maybe but still very relevant I'd say, and their concerns about SW suppressing free speech etc apply as much in businesses as anywhere else). Sure you'll get plenty of other suggestions too.

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N00tN00t · 10/11/2021 09:13

I've been on this forum and MN a couple of years, (name changed) so I thought I had built up a good database of sorts. It just now seems that everything has disappeared 😕

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Babdoc · 10/11/2021 09:10

There is no longer any “good side” to Stonewall. Its own founders have disowned it in disgust at how homophobic, lesbophobic and misogynist it has become.

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N00tN00t · 10/11/2021 09:10

I did start listening to the podcast, I'll go back to it, thanks.
By other side, I mean the effects that stonewall have had on women's rights/safety and the safeguarding of children. It really confused me because I know the websites were there! Now it seems like there has been a blackout on anything that shows anything negative. I have decided to start my 'for' argument first, since that's the only thing I can find at the moment.

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PigeonLittle · 10/11/2021 09:06

Essex University and Stonewall should lead you down a reasonable rabbit hole.

GrimDamnFanjo · 10/11/2021 09:03

Have you listened to the Nolan podcasts? I think these have been transcribed?
By "other side" can you clarify what you mean?

DystopianTimes · 10/11/2021 09:02

The Nolan Investigates podcast on BBC sounds would be essential listening for this in my opinion. There is plenty of content and pointers on there which will help you.