School not using "girl" and "boy"

If the teaching staff genuinely believe that the words “boy” and “girl” are triggering and uncomfortable, one assumes that they replace them in all circumstances, not just RHSE lessons?
So, in school assembly it’s “Good morning vagina owners and penis havers”, is it?

They are not trying to get rid if the words or categories boy and girl. They are trying to sever the connection between girl/female and that type of body, boy/male and the other type of body. It is only triggering when referencing the body (so they think). They are trying to re-make the categories, not do away with them. They don't need to do away with 'hello girls and boys' to do that. Though they might have to add enbys!

I don't agree with it. Schools have no business remaking important categories like mam and woman. I hope your complaint gets somewhere. But that's what it's about.

Of course it's true that they depend on the children already knowing which one they are, because they've been brought up in a world where girl = young human female.

The teaching should be evidence based..... there is no evidence that a gender identity exists outside a philosophical belief in a set of socially constructed stereotypes that not everyone subscribes to.

Girls are not taught football in PE?? Talk about reinforcing gender stereotypes right there. Ask them whether they believe that every single person with a vagina opts into the gender identity that values the sporting achievement of males at 1,693 times that of females.

(In 2019, Neymar received a salary of $44M from PSG which was slightly more than 1,693 female players in the leagues in France, Germany, England, the U.S., Sweden, Australia and Mexico combined

www.dailysabah.com/football/2017/11/27/psg-star-neymar-earns-more-than-female-players-of-top-7-european-leagues-combined)

By reinforcing these beliefs, they are condemning their students with vaginas to a future governed by stereotypes where they will not only be discouraged by social pressure from exploring non traditional careers, hobbies and activities, but they will also be conditioned to either accept structural inequities including lower pay, unequal access to share of voice and an inability to represent their own interests in places of power where decisions are made or face the alternative that if they seek to play football, be an engineer or speak out on their own behalf, that they are in fact male and should present as such, in accordance with an undefinable set of rules that includes binding their breasts, suppressing their reproductive cycles and taking life long hormones to alter their physical appearance.

Rarrraaaggghhh.. Good Luck BTW..... I hope you find someone sensible to talk to and that this craziness is quickly wiped clean and replaced with sensible discussions on the subject.

If you use the word girl you might upset a girl who wishes they were a boy or vice versa.

Whereas using another term wouldn't upset them? And why is their upset more significant than the OP's? (Rhetorical questions...)

Saw something the other day where someone was very upset that a changing room had been designated "AFAB only"...

This is a good speech by Miriam cates summing up what should and should not be happening in schools

I would have thought that the appropriate labels would be male)female reproductive organs.

Sounds like they are complicating something that should be very simple.

Oh sorry, my bad, skim reading fail.

The pe thing might be slightly different then, as I know they teach different types to girls and boys in secondary based on teacher skills.
Still a bit pants though. Girls should have the opportunity to play football. Not all of us enjoy being weebils in netball.

Opening a dialogue in year seven probably looks very different, but the pathway is probably still the same:
Teacher, subject leader, headteacher, governors, Ofsted.

Yes, funny how they rely on primary teachers to do all the donkey work, teaching the difference between girls and boys, then use that good knowledge base to peddle crap.

If they had any "transgender girls" would they actually use "person with a penis" to describe them?

That's 11/12 right?

Please, please, please get them to (try to) spell out to you exactly what they mean by a "girl personality"! While giving them your hardest Paddington stare throughout.
(I may sound flippant but what they are doing/saying is totally WAY beyond acceptable, I would be raging and it absolutely needs challenging!).

Ugh. That is such an inappropriate way to teach.

I would open a dialogue with school about not just the language used but also the content of the lessons. You have a right as a parent to ask about the curriculum and what scheme they have (probably) bought in. Ask to see the lesson plans, if you have to. I've opened up a dialogue with my own DC's school and they are aware of my views and concerns and have fully explained how they teach RSE. I feel that they've managed a sensible approach. They have obviously read around the subject quite widely.

Anyway, you have the ability to perhaps influence their teaching around gender or, at the very least, make them think and reevaluate. It also helps if you can get some other parents on board.

Plastered on walls inside a school near you!

And how do the “people with vaginas” know that they have vaginas?

This brainless PSHE teacher is relying on the fact that someone else has at some point told them that they are, indeed, girls.

Schools have been actively promoting trangenderism for about 10years.
Youve only just noticed.
Ive always disagreed with it but I know better than to say anything as I need my job.
Stonewall posters (as in physical pieces of paper stuck on walls) are nothing less than propaganda. One says in big red letters, something like:

Are you sure
you're in the right
gender?
Ring us now and we'll support you.
Stonewall

Girls can't play football?!
As in on the curriculum time or in a club.
Unless it's an external club they should not be doing that.

I'd start with that.

It's also a safeguarding issue - if the difference between the sexes isn't taught, it means that girls and women can never point to the rights they currently have to single-sex toilets, female-only changing facilities, etc.

And girls who are taught that some people with penises and beards are female can't challenge the male staff member watching them in the shower after PE, as they have been taught that it's wrong to judge people based on their bodies in every circumstance.

You might also be interested in yesterday's BBC Nolan show on "people with periods" - there's a thread on this board but can't link atm.

Hi op, the government guidance on gender identity is non statutory.
This means they don't have to teach it, but if they do they have to comply with guidance.

I'd advise you to put everything in writing and request a meeting covering the specific points you raise:

Seven year olds are prone to misconceptions- how has the teacher ensured that all children know and understand that girls and boys, women and men are sex classes and non changeable.(some pupil voice of your own child's misconceptions would help here, just grab a pad and ask open questions.)

When will the appropriate 'balancing view' as outlined in the DfE be taught. Can you give me a term or date?

How are you defining trans so that the children understand without using stereotypes?

What support is in place for children who these issues address.

How will it be ensured that children have enough correct information about their own sex to make sure they have full understanding and information about puberty.

How will the school provide for gender identity whilst upholding the equality act(changing, toilets) and making sure fairness is achieved for girls(sports day and teams)

And your own points. I'm sure you have many.

I'd then print out the relevant guidance and bring it with me (along with the year 3-6 sex and relationships curriculum and page, with relevant passages highlighted)

Let them know that you will be forwarding to the governors of all your points are not addressed in a timely manner.

After meeting, summarise and send in an email to the head and relevant parties.

If the teaching staff genuinely believe that the words “boy” and “girl” are triggering and uncomfortable, one assumes that they replace them in all circumstances, not just RHSE lessons?
So, in school assembly it’s “Good morning vagina owners and penis havers”, is it?

If not, there is a gaping hole in their logic. Which needs ridiculing to the head teacher pointing out.

Knowing whether they are on a male or female development pathway is vitally important for children no matter what their gender identity is.

They need to know which they are on to know how they should usually be developing and what to expect around puberty. They need clear unambiguous language to understand what their sex means for them in terms of contraception and pregnancy.