School not using "girl" and "boy"

If the topic is puberty, I'd say it's vitally important, at age 11, to know what to expect and how your body will grow and change. Avoiding simple, clear language like girl and boy is likely to confuse some children, who may imagine they get to choose which sort of puberty they get, like selecting an avatar for a computer game...

It would be cruel to allow a boy to think he can choose to have a body which can carry and give birth to a baby. Let's not bamboozle our children.

Depends whether Stonewall have been visiting their school.

I've got two girls.
The oldest is 7.

I worry about what we've got to look forward to in the coming years.

if I was you I would teach your own child, my son had sex ed/puberty lessons at 10, he said it was crap they didnt even say a word about periods, no wonder kids are confused as feck.*

We need people like the op to fight this though, as for some children it's the only sex education they're likely to get and they are often the most vulnerable pupils too.

secondly if anyone was bothered by the words girl or boy how can penis owner be better when it is essentially exactly the same thing but more descriptive and thus drawing attention to what they do or dont have, and furthermore wouldn't using descriptive language of this nature run the risk of alienating some DSD kids.

if I was you I would teach your own child, my son had sex ed/puberty lessons at 10, he said it was crap they didnt even say a word about periods, no wonder kids are confused as feck.

Good luck op.

Gather your evidence, document any conversations and reach out to other parents.

Don't let them fob you off and keep records of everything.

I think the difficulty you will have op is that the guidance is too woolly ànd not specific enough. I'd expect the school to quote this in their defence:

Use ‘inclusive language’
In its teacher training module on respectful relationships, the DfE also states that when schools cover LGBT content, they should “ensure inclusive language is used, considering how individual pupils may relate to particular topics”.

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it goes on to say: “In this module ‘girls’ refers to those whose natal sex is female. Similarly, ‘boys’ refers to those whose natal sex is male. However, teachers should be aware of the individual needs of all pupils and use inclusive language where possible.”*

What you will have to get across is that the school are not being inclusive to those without a gender identity by using dehumanising terms. I'd expect the school to reach a compromise, so they might agree on using the words males and females (with the teacher at the beginning explaining females can include NB, trans boys and girls)

In respect to single sex provision your best bet is to keep it about your child. So ask is your child's rights to privàcy and dignity being upheld. The school won't engage with you talking about other pupils, but they do have to engage about things that effect your child.
Again, I'd get some pupil voice from your child about why they don't want mixed sex facilities and summarise this in your letter.

Also, the adult males who identify as women claim it is dehumanising to call them people with a penis as it's 'reducing them to their body parts', so why isn't it then dehumanising to refer to our entire sex class as people with vaginas?
They seem to have no fucking issue reducing females to their body parts.

If you use the word girl you might upset a girl who wishes they were a boy or vice versa

I'm at the point where I just think tough shit. We all have to hear things in life that make us uncomfortable. It's how we learn and grow.
Using the excuse of poor mental health to forcie everyone else to change THEIR language and beliefs is bullshit.

Maybe the government should take all the fucking money it throws at the likes of Stonewall and re allocate it to teen mental health. Gender identity ideology should NOT be being taught as fact and children shouldn't be told that a certain group are in some way special and must be prioritised in every situation because that is nonsens.

The words girl and boy relate to biology sex not regressive sex role stereotypes. This is fact. Just because a tiny minority claim otherwise it doesn't mean anyone else should have to go along with it.

D if e guidance says kids need taught evidence based facts.

Safeguarding requires kids be able to name material reality.

Doesn’t matter what people think of that, schools must follow it.

Do you have a copy of the diagrams you can post?

Well the TRA logic is that if you call people "girls" it includes all those who identify as girls (which may include some biological boys).
If you call people "girls" in the context of discussing the role of their vaginas, you are telling those who have a vagina but identify as boys that they are in fact girls, not boys. And you are telling those who have a penis but identify as a girl that they are not in fact a girl.
So it's about whether you're using "girl" to mean gender or sex.
It seems that there is no word for someone with a vagina that is acceptable to TRAs.

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And there are obviously lots of reasons why a year seven might not know vagina.
English as an additional language and additional learning needs for example.

Those children deserve to receive good education and safeguarding just as much as others.

hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2021-11-09/debates/829A71F8-C2BF-4333-A5AC-066C9DBDF98A/School-BasedCounsellingServices

Yes, safeguarding children is like fighting a many headed hydra. Which is why no loophole, however unlikely it seems to us, should be discounted.

Sadly a lot of people who are supposed to keep children safe seem to have forgotten the basics.

It says it’s in Hansard from 5.58. Bloodingutters.

But can check for you

That’s why milli hills book is really good.

So girls don’t get a shock. It’s a really good book for young girls who might be approaching getting their periods

And the word girl is the only word that should be used. Not vagina haver or whatever dehumanising term