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Campaign in Scotland

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Cismyfatarse · 09/11/2021 21:21

Please, if you live in Scotland, get the message to your MSPs.

forwomenscotland.eaction.org.uk/MSP

Follow the link and it is all very easy. If you can share far and wide, that would be great.

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malloo · 11/11/2021 23:12

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby I got the same response from my labour msp (she/her......). I'm going to go back and challenge the suicide stats, I'm getting really hacked off with the way that gets thrown around. I do think the response is hedging a bit though, it does at least acknowledge excluding transwomen from single sex spaces in some circumstances so maybe there's something there, or at least an acknowledgement that someone has actually looked at the Equality Act.

ISpyCobraKai · 11/11/2021 22:51

From Katy Clark

The rest so far are, "we are too busy/go away etc etc"

Campaign in Scotland
Campaign in Scotland
EdinburghFeminist · 11/11/2021 21:03

@Viewfromtheisland

Anyone heard from the Lib Dem leader? He is on my list…..
No, he's on my list too but nothing.
AliceInDinoLand · 11/11/2021 20:37

Really worth replying challenging some of the more egregious nonsense.

Obviously, Lorna, Maggie, Paddy & co won't budge, but worth showing them that they are not opposed by idiots (all that "misinformation" rubbish). Something may permeate some of the Lab lot who have probably not thought too deeply about this!

doorornottodoor · 11/11/2021 19:49

The Tories are definitely getting my vote. At least the Labour response is a bit more thoughtful but WTAF about that suicide stat.ShockAngry I would challenge them on that -source?

The Greens response is so dismissive and patronising. I am still angry and am going to calm down before I respond. Angry. I wonder what the press would make of her response….

Mantlemoose · 11/11/2021 17:37

Conservative response (only one)
I share your concerns as do my Scottish Conservative colleagues which is why we will not be supporting the current proposals. As you say, it is wrong to conflate sex and gender and there are serious issues raised about the rights of women when it comes to the use of single sex spaces.

As you will know, this issue has caused a very great deal of controversy and I am sure it will lead to robust exchanges in parliament when the time comes. In any contribution I make I will also be focussing on how the potential legislation would detrimentally children.

They've got my vote now!

dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby · 11/11/2021 16:00

@dotoallasyouwouldbedoneby

Scottish Labour said: 'Thank you for your email. Please accept this automated response as confirmation that your email has been received.'
Fuller reply has had some consideration inserted I feel but still quotes the 'suicide statistic': Thank you for contacting me about your concerns regarding reform of the Gender Recognition Act.

I agree that legislation should consider the needs of women and girls but do not believe reform to the Gender Recognition Act necessarily threatens these rights.

I am a member of the Scottish Labour Party because Labour is the party of equality, committed to achieving a world free from all forms of bigotry and discrimination.

Trans people are one of the most discriminated groups in society – two in five young trans people have attempted suicide. It’s within this context that reform to the Gender Recognition Act is needed because the current process for obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate can be lengthy and traumatic for individuals who wish to change their legally recorded gender.

That’s why Labour would work with people to update the Gender Recognition Act to enable a process for gender self-identification while also continuing to support the implementation of the Equality Act, including the single sex exemption which allows the provision of women only spaces. This law rightly assumes the inclusion of trans women, except in specific circumstances.

Thank you for raising your concerns with me about this very important matter. I hope this clarifies my position on this issue.'

It was of course the UK Labour Government in 2004 which started this off with the 'Gender Recognition Act'.....what is now proposed in Scotland is part of the process described in Helen Joyce's book 'Trans' i.e. you start off with medical oversight and then campaign to drop it and hey presto women's boundaries are infringed and it's totally legal.

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 11/11/2021 13:59

Thanks for the link. I'll do this later.

Viewfromtheisland · 11/11/2021 13:31

Anyone heard from the Lib Dem leader? He is on my list…..

GCFeminist · 11/11/2021 13:18

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GCFeminist · 11/11/2021 13:15

Done, thanks for this!

ArabellaScott · 11/11/2021 10:40

@talkingdeadscot

I just received the same Lorna Slater response. It maddens me that whenever I raise the concerns of women the first thing they respond with is their support of 'trans rights'. It's as if they know there's a clash.
Yes.

'I care about women and girls'

'Well, I support trans rights'

Odd take.

talkingdeadscot · 11/11/2021 10:17

I just received the same Lorna Slater response. It maddens me that whenever I raise the concerns of women the first thing they respond with is their support of 'trans rights'. It's as if they know there's a clash.

Sillydoggy · 11/11/2021 10:14

Ok I am sure she is not 'eating' but 'getting' !

Sillydoggy · 11/11/2021 10:09

I had Lorna Slater's rubbish back too. I used to think it wasn't worth sending them to those who are embedded in the ideology but actually now I think it is worth annoying them and reminding them that they aren't living in a bubble. If LS has had to create a standard response that means she is eating plenty of mail on this issue!

ArabellaScott · 11/11/2021 08:33

I had a longer response from one MSP that did actually attempt to discuss some of the points. Albeit with massive gaps in logic and reasoning. It's a start.

grannyjacob · 11/11/2021 00:34

I’ve had the same excellent response from Douglas Lumsden, Conservative for North East Scotland. I too am stunned to think that in the next Election, I either vote Conservative or don’t vote at all. Also had a not unexpected, full of waffle response from Maggie Chapman, Green. No response as of yet from any of the other six, who are either Green or SNP.
I had also added extra to the email template.

Keeptrudging · 10/11/2021 23:46

Done.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 10/11/2021 23:43

Trans rights and women’s rights are not in conflict, as all humans have the same human rights.

Yes, and these include both men and women having the right to their own single-sex spaces. An immediate conflict with the extra privilege demanded by trans activists.

2319inprogress · 10/11/2021 23:19

I don't have anything yet except 3 OOO replies Hmm
I'm bracing myself for Monica Lennon Angry

Hoardasaurusterf · 10/11/2021 22:34

@ArabellaScott

The human rights of minority groups should not be open to debate and interpretation, they should be accepted.

Which human rights? The rights of rapists to be housed in women's prisons? The right of children to access off-label medication and surgery to treat 'dysphoria'? The right of male doctors to treat female patients who've specifically asked for a female HCP, even in cases like care for rape victims?

You can't just invent rights as if any stated desire magically becomes a 'right'.

Hope someone sends herr a reply asking her these questions!
Hoardasaurusterf · 10/11/2021 22:32

Done, but not holding my breath for a response from my SNP constituency MSP. I have written to them & their predecessor with no response beyond the 'thanks for your email' autoresponse. Too busy giving away my rights!

2319inprogress · 10/11/2021 22:16

Bumping this up

bluebling · 10/11/2021 19:41

Done

ArabellaScott · 10/11/2021 19:40

Sorry, a little bit over 1%. And they're in government. Brave new world.

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