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Lush Binder Collection

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Sexnotgender · 08/11/2021 21:06

Assuming this is a way for predominantly children to circumvent parents and get their hands on a binder.

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foxgoosefinch · 09/11/2021 11:58

Yeah I can see the comments again now when I click on the insta post. And they are commenting and replying to pro-binder comments right now so they are actively on there Sad.

Why is it that some people have so absolutely, definitely decided they are the forces of right and just cannot see the damage or problems with their ideology? It goes beyond being supportive to teenagers with issues if you are actively providing products to minors that cause bodily harm and are part of a regressive set of ideas about dysphoria and the body.

I mean, if something you are supplying to very young people can cause medical damage and pain if not - and also when - used correctly, then you ought to be examining whether what you are doing is right.

Bath bombs don't give people more than an itchy allergic reaction. Breast binders are harmful no matter what kids on instagram bleat about "they're safe if used correctly" -- well so are morphine and beta blockers but we don't hand them out to kids.

Melroses · 09/11/2021 11:55

2b.care/pages/donation-program

The binders come from gc2b

Elleexxtra · 09/11/2021 11:51

The insta post is still up.
The genderswap people are very smug in comments.

I'm trying to remember an equivalent fuck you to parents/authority from when I was younger but the closest I can think of is getting ears and nose pierced.

Also big boots.

Hardly the same level really

Sexnotgender · 09/11/2021 11:45

@littlbrowndog

Think the tweet has been removed
It was on Instagram.
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foxgoosefinch · 09/11/2021 11:41

@KittenKong

They will just be facilitating a mail order service though. Won’t be chatting the the kids (although it would be hard to believe that they wouldn’t, knowing how verbose the staff are).
No they're being asked to pick up in store and scan a phone code to pay. It's not just facilitating a mail order service, is it?
GreyhoundG1rl · 09/11/2021 11:39

@KittenKong

They will just be facilitating a mail order service though. Won’t be chatting the the kids (although it would be hard to believe that they wouldn’t, knowing how verbose the staff are).
Facilitating, though. Aiding and abetting. There's no good way to spin this.
littlbrowndog · 09/11/2021 11:38

Think the tweet has been removed

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Whatwouldscullydo · 09/11/2021 11:35

That still surely involves a degree of passing on info?

Who's reading the emails?

KittenKong · 09/11/2021 11:34

They will just be facilitating a mail order service though. Won’t be chatting the the kids (although it would be hard to believe that they wouldn’t, knowing how verbose the staff are).

ArabellaScott · 09/11/2021 11:30

Any services set up to engage non-trained staff in dispensing potentially harmful equipment to minors, especially that involving sex characteristics, should be asked hard questions.

Are they going to be handing out packers, too?

ArabellaScott · 09/11/2021 11:26

a service designed for children to obtain binders in secret, not adult women to buy products for themselves.

Yes, this.

KittenKong · 09/11/2021 11:23

Proto (autocorrect thinks it’s a place in Italy...)

KittenKong · 09/11/2021 11:18

Porto-Lush used to have ethics...

rogdmum · 09/11/2021 11:18

It’s horrendous, but when Mermaids merrily post free binders to young adolescents (even when they know they parents don’t allow one due to health risks) and LGBT Youth Scotland signpost Scottish adolescents to a free binder service in Scotland and my daughter’s school turns a blind eye of children providing other children with a binder at school, I’m not surprised in the slightest that Lush has jumped on the bandwagon.

We’ve taken a very very wrong turn somewhere and I’m horrified that companies like Lush are effectively using the promotion of permanent physical damage as a marketing tool.

foxgoosefinch · 09/11/2021 11:12

@Whatwouldscullydo

Ask them what safeguarding they have in place with regard to non dbs checked staff taking to children about their developing bodies.
Yes this - so an untrained staff member or someone from a charity is going to be engaging with, say, a 12 year old who may want to talk with them about their breasts, sexuality, gender? Or asking how to put the binder on and use it? Are they aware of the legal position they may be putting their staff in?

And this gender swap charity they are partnering with should be more than aware of this stuff. Post Kids' Company it is absolutely being drummed into charity trustees that you mustn't allow practices like this.

BunnyNumNum · 09/11/2021 11:11

The post on their insta was there half an hour ago (when I reported it for promoting self harm) but it has gone now.

Whatwouldscullydo · 09/11/2021 11:07

Ask them what safeguarding they have in place with regard to non dbs checked staff taking to children about their developing bodies.

foxgoosefinch · 09/11/2021 11:07

Indeed, the "people who want to bind will find a way so let's give them slightly safer binders argument is not very different from "drug users will always use so let's provide them clean needles", really, isn't it?

And there might be a place for that argument in an adult service, but it's absolutely clear in law that organisations are not to provide such services to children.

Dinosaurhearmeroar · 09/11/2021 11:04

Emailing the pr. any points you would like me to include besides the obvious physical damage and misogynistic messaging?

justaftb · 09/11/2021 11:03

What the....???????

KittenKong · 09/11/2021 11:02

Or clean blades for self harm - didn’t some medical facilities offer sterile blades and dressings?

MoonlightApple · 09/11/2021 10:59

It’s like if they started offering dieting pills if you donated to a pro-ana group!

foxgoosefinch · 09/11/2021 10:43

@MondayYogurt

Plenty of small, local makers of the exact same products available on etsy. You can even support black-owned businesses :)

Ironically, Lush is also being boycotted by TRAs for other marketing decisions they've made (giving stuff to police).

I don't think that's the attraction @MondayYogurt. The idea is that girls are able to obtain the product from Lush without their parents knowing. They setup is not for adults who want to order from "ethical" Hmm producers and have it delivered to their own houses.

The setup is to allow young girls without much money to obtain it without having a credit card, ordering it themselves or having it delivered to their home. They scan a QR code in store which presumably takes the £7 from their phone account or uses Paypal.

That's why posters are outraged. The faux delight from "nb" posters is obscuring the fact that it's a service designed for children to obtain binders in secret, not adult women to buy products for themselves.

littlbrowndog · 09/11/2021 10:40

Why do you bind your breasts is it to stop men looking at them ?

In some cultures girls get their breasts ironed in the hope that the girls will not get sexually abused or raped

Is it the same for binding your breasts ?

KittenKong · 09/11/2021 10:39

Lush is being boycotted for a range of reasons. So don’t try to make it all ‘oooh the nasty dinosaur women’