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Dutch women's group 'Voorzij' have their bank account suspended by Bunq

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Cailleach1 · 08/11/2021 19:21

... for being a women's group that organises as a sex class and for not including males in their feminism.

To quote the article

Bank Account of Dutch Feminist Organization Cancelled for "Transphobia"
Only Dutch feminist group that doesn’t claim “transwomen are women” had its bank account closed.

And Bunq has the audacity to lecture women (as a sex class) it is because they (Bunq) do not tolerate discrimination - against transwomen.

So, it would appear to me that Bunq seems to regard women who organise themselves as a sex class as hateful. Misogyny was ever thus. I'm laughing at the Bunq page where it states that 'Bunq is the bank of the free'. Well, unless you're a woman. It seems to be a bloke at the helm.

voorzij are on twitter, with an @ before it.

4w.pub/bank-account-dutch-feminists/

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DuckDuckNo · 09/11/2021 08:30

How the F is that even legal

NecessaryScene · 09/11/2021 08:18

It seems that Bunq are indeed happy to host bank accounts for political activist organisations. Just not Voorzij which defends women rights. Maybe because it defends women's rights. So it may be that BUNQ is being economical with the truth.

So what's the potential recourse in Dutch law? Seems like it would be fairly clear-cut sex discrimination in the UK - specifically barring women's campaign groups.

Cailleach1 · 09/11/2021 08:13

Well, the management board comprises three men. They say in their report that they value diversity very much and just don't have the 30% women yet. Of course they talk about 'gender' and not sex. I imagine it suits them very well to have a broader definition of women; one that includes men. Maybe one of the chappies could just do a twirl, and voila. I imagine blokes in many exclusively male run businesses are laughing all the way with this 'progressive' ideology.

While bunq values diversity very much, the Managing Board does not meet the ‘balanced composition’ requirement which stipulates that at least 30% of the seats are filled by women and at least 30% by men. This requirement is applicable to large enterprises, but bunq does not meet the criteria of a large enterprise yet. More importantly, next to gender, we believe that diversity in culture and many other metrics are equally valuable. We truly appreciate people as they are, no matter what, and only distinguish them for their results. The Supervisory Board does meet the ‘balanced composition’ requirement.

Well, they had an oppurtunity to appoint a woman to their 3 person Board in 2020 when a 'Mr Timessen' resigned to move to Spain. But (sad face) they couldn't seem to find one to fulfil their fine words, and appointed another man called Mr B Wesselink. I wonder if it also fits with their terms and conditions that one could also just identify as someone from the other diversity in culture and many other metrics which they state they believe are equally valuable as the 'gender' (not sex) metric?

The three chappies sign off the report with "Together we build the bank of the free". Well! it appears they need to add small print to state this doesn't apply if you are a women's rights group.

apps.bunq.com/assets/media/legal/en/20200630-Annual-report-2019-bunq-B.V.pdf

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LonginesPrime · 08/11/2021 22:33

I assume they have an active internal LGBTQQIA+ network.

Cailleach1 · 08/11/2021 22:23

Sorry for keeping on posting. It seems that Bunq are indeed happy to host bank accounts for political activist organisations. Just not Voorzij which defends women rights. Maybe because it defends women's rights. So it may be that BUNQ is being economical with the truth.

Stichting HudaTV appear to have an account with them. These are being described as a 'hardline' salafist group. That is only one. It does debunk BUNQ's little sermon though. I wouldn't be surprised with anything that turned up if they were investigated. Any sort of organisation could have an account with them.

Hypocritical f*ckers who are have no problem having one policy when it comes to joining in with the suppression of women's rights while piously spouting disingenuous bollocks reasons that don't seem to apply to other organisations they quite happily host (the bank that is, and in my personal opinion that is).

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Cailleach1 · 08/11/2021 21:42

www.quotenet.nl/zakelijk/a38168386/digibank-bunq-van-quote-500-lid-ali-niknam-blokkeert-feministische-groep/

Tech nerds seem to be involved in the setting up of this bank. The article is in dutch, but google translate is your friend here.

Bunq on the knees for fuss? Well, not according to founder Ali Niknam (number 29 in the Quote 500 with a net worth of €1.5 billion). Blocking the account, he says, is simply a logical consequence of the user agreements, in which there is no room for political groups.

"It's a sum of things," Niknam told the newspaper. 'In our view, Voorzij has all the characteristics of an ideological group and they do not fit within our conditions. This, in combination with the complaints we received about Voorzij, has brought us to this point. You can think of anything, but we don't do anything with activist, ideological and political groups.'

It would be interesting to see who else has a bank account with their bank. Obviously, they don't seem to agree with women being able to organise in order to defend our rights, based on our sex. Biological sex is now an ideology according to these misogynistic wokie blokies. And they appear to be happy to suspend the account of a women's rights group because trans activists (or some misogynistic complainants) are attacking women's organisations.

We really need women's services. It would be a mercy to have some service providers that don't hate women.

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Grumpyosaurus · 08/11/2021 20:46

Fucking hell.
What times we are living in.

The whole debate is so skewed: either you drink the KoolAid, or you are out in the wilderness.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/11/2021 20:22

Wasn't there also a UK group who were refused a co-operative bank account?

LonginesPrime · 08/11/2021 20:20

That's really scary - reminds me of the beginning of The Handmaid's Tale when women's bank accounts were frozen.

Surely this breaches EU law on sex discrimination, freedom of thought and expression and freedom of assembly?

I don't know what kind of bank this is, but how can it operate outside of the law?

Cailleach1 · 08/11/2021 19:46

Yes, it is outrageous. One of the comments I read is along the lines that Bunq is complicit in attempting to suppress women's rights. All the while having the cheek to self-id as the 'bank of the free'.

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Cailleach1 · 08/11/2021 19:31

Caroline Franssen (Voorzij's Chair) was banned from twitter for saying ... people can't really change sex.

Caroline expressed a deep sorrow for this state of things. “We have not had much time to write articles about surrogacy and prostitution and violence against women,” she says, because of the constant attacks and reports on their work by the trans activists. The Bunq Bank revealed themselves that this was the reason they have terminated their contractual agreement with Voorzij, saying that the account was closed “due to complaints we've received concerning your activities,” for example saying that “people can't really change sex.”

Netherlands certainly needs women discussion of the sex 'industry' and how women are being prostituted. I think it is 90+% of prostituted women are from elsewhere. With the new Covid regulations being introduced, hairdressers get the protection of masks. Prostituted and possibly also trafficked women don't.

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OhHolyJesus · 08/11/2021 19:28

This is outrageous.

I read their article about Steensma's U turn on puberty blockers. It was pretty groundbreaking.

I'm so enraged by this. How dare they.